Is Gonzaga the it school this year for boys?

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Anonymous wrote:Any MD commuters?? How’s that?

Many - I get on the metro at either the redline at shady grove or Rockville and see plenty of Gonzaga boys riding metro or Marc to school - there and back. It’s a really short walk - maybe 5 minutes if that from Union station to the school.

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Georgetown Prep.

You're welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Any MD commuters?? How’s that?

Many - I get on the metro at either the redline at shady grove or Rockville and see plenty of Gonzaga boys riding metro or Marc to school - there and back. It’s a really short walk - maybe 5 minutes if that from Union station to the school.

This. My GZ boy was in carpools from Rockville for freshman-junior years. Senior year he got a parking spot and drove his own carpool. Generally the carpool is morning only due to divergent after school schedules. Return home on metro. Easy, but time consuming. Worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Gonzaga, St. John’s and Good counsel are all independent. Damatha might be also I can’t remember.

That is their legal starting.

Perhaps you have a different definition.

The legal starting is four members of the Jesuit order on the board of trustees and a Jesuit priest as the headmaster. It's a Catholic school... not sure where you're going with this. It's a great education, unreal sports and I'd be happy to let my kids go there because, despite it being a catholic school, many non-catholics choose to go there and have a great experience.

Board of Trustees

https://www.gonzaga.org/about/board-of-trustees

Headmaster

https://www.gonzaga.org/academics/headmasters-welcome

I’m not going anywhere with it. I’m explaining the definition of private school versus independent school to you because you clearly don’t understand it.

Well, this subtle distinction between a private school and an independent school has to do with the legal structure of each, how they are governed, and how they are funded. An independent school has a truly independent board of trustees that oversees the school's operation, while a private school can theoretically be part of another entity, such as a for profit corporation or a not for profit organization such as a church or synagogue

You just proved that Gonzaga is independent. The fact it has a specific board of trustees dedicated only to this school means it is independent. You are confusing schools that are governed by the Archdiocese of Washington. Those tend to be the "parish" schools, and the curriculum and all the regulations are managed at the Archdiocese level. Gonzaga is independent.

The cool thing about the Catholic church is that it's, well, the Catholic church. It has parishes, it has orders, etc but at the end of the day, it's the Catholic church. People have very exhaustively proven that Gonzaga isn't connected to any parish. Cool.

Four members of the board are required to be from the Jesuit order. The headmaster is a Jesuit. Guess what the Jesuit order is part of... (hint: it's not a local parish, so you don't need to guess that!)

Even better, when the school was accused of discriminating against a former teacher in 2017, the school used (in part) the "ministerial exception", and the school's lawyers argued that the ex-teacher couldn't sue because:

"Moreover, as a teacher, it is clear that Plaintiff was a representative of the Catholic school,
was required to convey the Church’s message and carry out its mission. It would be absurd to
determine that a teacher of a Catholic school, tasked with the job duties of educating its students
of the Church’s teachings and beliefs, is not a “minister” for the purposes of the “ministerial
exception.” Therefore, because Plaintiff qualifies as a “minister” of the Catholic faith, his claims
alleging racial discrimination and retaliation are barred by the “ministerial exception,” and must
be dismissed with prejudice. "

So... yeah, it's part of the Catholic church. (They won that case, though not on the ministerial exception grounds—the appeals court declined to settle that one, but I think if the school SAYS its part of the Catholic church, we should believe them.)

LOL you went to a lot of trouble to tell me Gonzaga is part of the Catholic church?

There are lots of independent schools that are associated with the Catholic faith. They are independent because they have their own curriculum which is not dictated by any the archdiocese. Being a Catholic school means you include teachings of the Catholic faith, have Masses, and operate in a manner that instills morals of the Catholic faith. That can be achieved in any number of ways that the independent school is free to decide.

Schools that operate under the ADW are not independent and have to conform to their curriculum and rules. There are only two high schools in the ADW. The rest in the DC/MD area are all independent.

It's a Catholic school! Glad we agree!

And StA is episcopal.

https://pecf.org/

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Yes, it is, just as St. Albans and NCS are independent private schools, while connected to the National Cathedral and Episcopal church.

The Episcopal Church hierarchy does not exert control over curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Umm it’s private…I think what you mean is it’s not an independent school (like SR and GP) but rather is a parish school/ associated with a church.

It is not a parish school.

It’s literally connected to a church…

The church is only active for the school. It is not a church with a parish community beyond the school. So it is not supported by a parish community.

Cool. It's still a Catholic Church school.

I'm not knocking it, I'd send my kids there, but it's not the same as an independent private school.

Yes, it is, just as St. Albans and NCS are independent private schools, while connected to the National Cathedral and Episcopal church.

The Episcopal Church hierarchy does not exert control over curriculum.

Neither does the Catholic church at the independent Catholic schools. This only happens in parochial schools (parish schools).

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

But you didn't say "a minority". You said "a few". Two different things.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

But you didn't say "a minority". You said "a few". Two different things.

I would say "few" fits the definition of "a minority".

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/few

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Anonymous wrote:It seems everyone I speak to is going there next year or applying. Is it that great?

I think it is known to be a nice school - mostly appeals to Catholics and is very athletic and it is more down to earth and diverse economically and geographically than some other all boys schools. I can see the appeal. Less country club families.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.