Is Gonzaga the it school this year for boys?

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So sad folks need to make themselves feel better about their kids second tier school.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad folks need to make themselves feel better about their kids second tier school.

Gonzaga or Notre Dame? Could apply to either

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Have a Freshman at Gonzaga. Came from MCPS. Having a wonderful experience. Takes the Metro which is convenient- a bit pricey. As for the college discussions, I went to Catholic HS, as did my other kids. Lots of kids choosing Catholic colleges- they are only applying to Catholic colleges- this is as true today as it was almost 40 years ago. Most kids getting a great education, regardless of where they go to school. Very happy so far with our experience at Gonzaga. Guessing he will do well when it comes to college, but for now, just looking forward to Sophomore year. Everything does not need to be a competition nor contentious.

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Anonymous wrote:So sad folks need to make themselves feel better about their kids second tier school.

Gonzaga or Notre Dame? Could apply to either

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Anonymous wrote:No, only if you can't afford elite private or dislike public.

It's Catholic, not private and it's half the price of the privates. It's the school for super athletes whose parents are Catholic or don't mind a catholic education.

Catholic schools ARE private schools, and Gonzaga is not a diocesan school in any event.

It's closer to a private school than most Catholic schools, but it's still part of the Washington arch-diocese and it's managed and partially staffed by ordained Catholic clergy.

Hmm. Weird logic. I guess NCS and STA are not private because of their affiliation with the Episcopal church? I assume Sidwell is not private because it is affiliated with the Quaker church? All of these schools also have chapels and a meeting house on campus.

Public means affiliated and run by and with the government including chartered schools. Everything else is private

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Our middle son was recruited by Yale and visited on an official visit they paid for.

He chose a Catholic university instead. He felt much more comfortable in the Catholic school after attending a Jesuit high school.

When he got back from his trip to New Haven he said that this wasn’t the place for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Our middle son was recruited by Yale and visited on an official visit they paid for.

He chose a Catholic university instead. He felt much more comfortable in the Catholic school after attending a Jesuit high school.

When he got back from his trip to New Haven he said that this wasn’t the place for him.

This is probably more typical than people are aware. My son also toured Yale and did not want to apply. In fact he didn't apply to any ivy league schools despite having a perfect ACT score, etc. He had a specific type of environment in mind, and places like Yale and Brown (both places he toured) were crossed off the list immediately. He applied to places like BC and ND...didn't want Georgetown though.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You’re really misunderstanding things. Ivy isn’t desirable for everyone or even most people. Just in case you need a reality check.

The misunderstanding may be at your end. What the previous poster's demographic desires, above all else, is status. And this status can be obtained by proclaiming that a child got into an Ivy. That the child flounders there when he might have succeeded at a school that did not have a laser focus on The Current Thing, is irrelevant. Can't take "he went to a school that makes him, and by transitivity, me, better than you!" away from a snob.

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You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

More on yield rates.

Brown 63
Columbia 64
Duke 55
Georgetown 49
Hopkins 48
Northwestern 50
Rice 45

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Anonymous wrote:Our middle son was recruited by Yale and visited on an official visit they paid for.

He chose a Catholic university instead. He felt much more comfortable in the Catholic school after attending a Jesuit high school.

When he got back from his trip to New Haven he said that this wasn’t the place for him.

This is probably more typical than people are aware. My son also toured Yale and did not want to apply. In fact he didn't apply to any ivy league schools despite having a perfect ACT score, etc. He had a specific type of environment in mind, and places like Yale and Brown (both places he toured) were crossed off the list immediately. He applied to places like BC and ND...didn't want Georgetown though.

Same for my son. I could have written the above.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

The point isn't to cherry pick. It's to highlight the fact that you're talking about 700 kids who were admitted to Yale and chose to go elsewhere. A handful chose to go to Notre Dame (and Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Michigan, Cal St, Cal Poly, NYU, UC Irvine, Cornell, Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, UCLA). I know it's confusing....but five kids choosing ND over Yale hardly speaks to anything unique about ND.

Wonder where the 40% of ND admits end up.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

The point isn't to cherry pick. It's to highlight the fact that you're talking about 700 kids who were admitted to Yale and chose to go elsewhere. A handful chose to go to Notre Dame (and Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Michigan, Cal St, Cal Poly, NYU, UC Irvine, Cornell, Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, UCLA). I know it's confusing....but five kids choosing ND over Yale hardly speaks to anything unique about ND.

Wonder where the 40% of ND admits end up.

Where do you get the number 5? I think you are the one who is confused. Why are you even chiming in on a thread about Catholic schools when you clearly have an issue with them. Go back to the college forum if you want to trash ND and other Catholic colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesuit education is strong. Georgetown, Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, etc have also had a big surge (always popular---but even more in this day and age as people turn away from the Ivies).

You’d have to come from a fairly conservative background to think a Catholic education at both the high school and college level is preferable to a top public or private plus Ivy education. I do realize Trumpists are all about bashing Ivies these days to appeal to populist sentiments and Jewish voters, but even so relatively few are going to confuse Notre Dame with HYP or BC and Villanova with Dartmouth or Brown.

Just in case you needed a reality check.

You clearly know nothing about Catholics or Catholic highs schools and colleges. You are really embarrassing yourself.

Actually, I know quite a bit about the former, and it was enough to steer us away from the latter. But go ahead and pretend that Gonzaga is new St. Albans or that Notre Dame is the new Yale. Your friends at OLGC or Saint Bernadette's will be impressed, and that's probably what matters to you.

No need to be sensitive. I'm sorry I disagree with your assessment of your alma mater, but I hardly trashed it. I'm sure it's a very special place.

Wow, how intolerant of you. If you despise Catholics that much, why do you even comment? And Notre Dame is an elite school that offers a lot that Yale could not even if they tried...that's why many chose it over Yale.

that's not what "many" means.

More than a third choose ND over Yale. I would say that fits the definition of many. The PP didn't say "more."

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=University+of+Notre+Dame

Sure. Great argument. So I'm not wrong when I say "few choose ND over Yale" since a touch over 33% clearly constitutes a minority.

It's actually 37%. And I would consider that to be many relative to expectations of a non ivy going up against an ivy.

Let's take a look at other top schools going up against Yale. I would say on some of these (USC, Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern), you could say "few" pick it over Yale, but with most schools, "many" pick them over Yale. I would say a third or more constitutes many. If a school is picked over 50% of the time, I would use the term "most."

Okay. Got it. So it's not "many choose ND over Yale"...it's "relative to what one would expect, a surprisingly large minority of people choose ND over Yale". Cool.

Yes you got it. Bottom line, many people pick Notre Dame over Yale and other top ivy league schools. Why? Because it offers things that people want that those ivies don't. Similar situation with schools like the Naval Academy, where 44% chose it over Yale. It offers something unique that is impossible for Yale to deliver. Glad I was able to explain this to you and you finally get it.

In 2023, Notre Dame admitted 3,402 students out of 28,354 applicants. 60% enrolled. So, for starters, ND’s yield isn’t particularly impressive and I think is indicative of how applicants view ND’s “unique” experience. To your point: per parchment, 37% of students admitted to both Yale and ND choose ND. 78% choose Harvard over Yale. 70% choose Princeton over Yale. 70% choose Stanford over Yale. 31% choose Michigan over Yale. 67% choose CAL STATE FULLERTON over Yale. 40% choose CAL POLY over Yale. 33% choose NYU over Yale. 31% choose UC Irvine over Yale. Conclusions: 1. ND isn’t exceptional in this regard and 2. We’re ultimately talking about nothing more than a handful of kids who chose ND over Yale.

Nice cherry-picking.

25% chose Cornell
16% chose Northwestern
20% chose Rice
24% chose Vanderbilt
31% chose UCLA

All these schools are ranked higher than ND yet more chose ND. Glad I could bring you some clarity.

The point isn't to cherry pick. It's to highlight the fact that you're talking about 700 kids who were admitted to Yale and chose to go elsewhere. A handful chose to go to Notre Dame (and Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Michigan, Cal St, Cal Poly, NYU, UC Irvine, Cornell, Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, UCLA). I know it's confusing....but five kids choosing ND over Yale hardly speaks to anything unique about ND.

Wonder where the 40% of ND admits end up.

Where do you get the number 5? I think you are the one who is confused. Why are you even chiming in on a thread about Catholic schools when you clearly have an issue with them. Go back to the college forum if you want to trash ND and other Catholic colleges.