When did this become the norm?

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Anonymous wrote:We travel a lot because we enjoy it so much and don't spend much in other matters. I don't have social media and I enjoy having something on the horizon to look forward to.

I am a bit put off at the thought of op pricing out someone else's vacation. People who count other people's money need to obsess over something more constructive. You are doing something revolting and still choose to judge a friend whose mistake was in sharing information with you. Why does everything need to become a source or jealousy or showing off. Maybe people like specific things and like to post pics of what they like and do things they enjoy and it's not directed at you or meant to be tallied up by their nosy friends.


This a bizarre overreaction. I think it's natural to wonder how much certain vacations cost when someone shares certain details with you. It's not "revolting." I had a friend who did a trip to Greece last summer and told me about staying in a villa where they had a private chef for a couple days. It sounded amazing and I was very happy for her, but also have to admit that my first thought was to wonder how much it cost. Partly because we've done trips where I looked at similar accommodations and the price for something like that was always really high even in otherwise very affordable travel destinations. So I was curious. I don't think it's crazy or horrible to privately think "oh wow that must have been pricy" when someone tells you about something that, let's get real, was probably pricy. It's a normal response. If you worry about people responding to you that way, maybe tell them about the cool hike you went on or a boat excursion, and don't choose to share the details of your vacation that are most likely to make people wonder about sticker price (though personally I don't care if people wonder how much aspects of my vacation cost, and actually I'm a big bargain shopper when it comes to travel and will tell everyone exactly how much we spent on stuff if they ask, and also explain how we got good prices or found budget options because I am happy to share what I've learned to help others).

Op is not interested in going herself, she is pricing out the villa, boat tour and adding in the travel fares because she is counting other people's money to judge them and people like them in a post here. I've even heard people judge others for the likely cost of their camping equipment, on the budget end of travel. Jealousy and judgment of someone else's spending is not mentally healthy. Recently a poster who travels once a year planned to keep their first big vacation a secret from their mom for fear of this very judgment. There is something wrong with being obsessed over someone else's travel budget.


You are inferring that she is judging but I don't see it. In my case I was not judging my friend for getting a private chef-- if she can afford it, good for her. But I did have a moment of "whoa I wonder how much this trip cost, it sounds expensive" and also kind of wondering how they can afford it. That isn't judgment. It's just normal when you see peers spending money in a way you don't to wonder how they can afford it.

You cannot be this thin skinned about money. Get over it. Everyone is in a slightly different financial situation, even among colleagues or socioeconomic peers. It is normal for people to think about money when discussing things paid for with disposable income, like vacations, house remodeling, clothes, entertainment, etc. Freaking out because we a friend might think "huh I wonder how they afforded that trip, it sounds expensive" is childish. People do it all the time.
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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s related to social media. Guaranteed, part of the attraction to taking all these bougie trips is posting the photos to Facebook and Instagram after.

I am one of these people who travel internationally three times a year and I have never posted a travel picture online. I am a very private person who happens to love travel. It’s really sad that some people can’t seem to under that.


Thanks for sharing, I guess?


There are posters on here who seem to believe all trips are solely for posting instagram pics. I travel extensively and many of my friends and family do, and we never post or share pictures. What's the point? I don't need to see pictures of places I've likely already been to. It doesn't cause jealousy or resentment. We're solidly UMC people, not super rich.

The % of travelers traveling for the sake of Instagram is going to be tiny.



Not true, according to my travels and the groups that are dressed alike, taking the same pics over and over again for hours, and blocking the way in most cases. Ew.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I admit to struggling with this from a "keeping up" standpoint. We just do not have the money that some of our friends have and also don't have as many vacation days and can't work remotely. And now my kids are really into sports so a lot of their breaks will be taken up with required practices/games/tournaments. I really had to talk myself down that it's 100% amazing that they've done a European trip, several domestic national parks trips, a cruise, and lots of Eastern seaboard city long weekends. Compared to this forum, that is nothing, but really, it's great and has given them a good taste of travel.

Besides our family friends, I can't believe how much my young colleagues travel. One in particular takes 3-4 international trips per year, but I feel like it's just for the pictures! They will go for just 5-6 days, even places as far away from DC as Hawaii in that short time, and I feel like it's just to check a box and get some instagram pictures.


Ok, but WHY do you assume that? Most people who are posting pictures on Instagram are not traveling solely for the pictures. Why go through all that effort and expense for something you don’t enjoy?
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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s related to social media. Guaranteed, part of the attraction to taking all these bougie trips is posting the photos to Facebook and Instagram after.

I am one of these people who travel internationally three times a year and I have never posted a travel picture online. I am a very private person who happens to love travel. It’s really sad that some people can’t seem to under that.


Thanks for sharing, I guess?


There are posters on here who seem to believe all trips are solely for posting instagram pics. I travel extensively and many of my friends and family do, and we never post or share pictures. What's the point? I don't need to see pictures of places I've likely already been to. It doesn't cause jealousy or resentment. We're solidly UMC people, not super rich.

The % of travelers traveling for the sake of Instagram is going to be tiny.



Not true, according to my travels and the groups that are dressed alike, taking the same pics over and over again for hours, and blocking the way in most cases. Ew.


It's really hard to take anyone seriously who uses the phrase "Ew."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I admit to struggling with this from a "keeping up" standpoint. We just do not have the money that some of our friends have and also don't have as many vacation days and can't work remotely. And now my kids are really into sports so a lot of their breaks will be taken up with required practices/games/tournaments. I really had to talk myself down that it's 100% amazing that they've done a European trip, several domestic national parks trips, a cruise, and lots of Eastern seaboard city long weekends. Compared to this forum, that is nothing, but really, it's great and has given them a good taste of travel.

Besides our family friends, I can't believe how much my young colleagues travel. One in particular takes 3-4 international trips per year, but I feel like it's just for the pictures! They will go for just 5-6 days, even places as far away from DC as Hawaii in that short time, and I feel like it's just to check a box and get some instagram pictures.

If it makes you feel better I know at least one family that travels a lot and the mom confessed to me they have lots of credit card debt.
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Anonymous wrote:We travel a lot because we enjoy it so much and don't spend much in other matters. I don't have social media and I enjoy having something on the horizon to look forward to.

I am a bit put off at the thought of op pricing out someone else's vacation. People who count other people's money need to obsess over something more constructive. You are doing something revolting and still choose to judge a friend whose mistake was in sharing information with you. Why does everything need to become a source or jealousy or showing off. Maybe people like specific things and like to post pics of what they like and do things they enjoy and it's not directed at you or meant to be tallied up by their nosy friends.


This a bizarre overreaction. I think it's natural to wonder how much certain vacations cost when someone shares certain details with you. It's not "revolting." I had a friend who did a trip to Greece last summer and told me about staying in a villa where they had a private chef for a couple days. It sounded amazing and I was very happy for her, but also have to admit that my first thought was to wonder how much it cost. Partly because we've done trips where I looked at similar accommodations and the price for something like that was always really high even in otherwise very affordable travel destinations. So I was curious. I don't think it's crazy or horrible to privately think "oh wow that must have been pricy" when someone tells you about something that, let's get real, was probably pricy. It's a normal response. If you worry about people responding to you that way, maybe tell them about the cool hike you went on or a boat excursion, and don't choose to share the details of your vacation that are most likely to make people wonder about sticker price (though personally I don't care if people wonder how much aspects of my vacation cost, and actually I'm a big bargain shopper when it comes to travel and will tell everyone exactly how much we spent on stuff if they ask, and also explain how we got good prices or found budget options because I am happy to share what I've learned to help others).

Op is not interested in going herself, she is pricing out the villa, boat tour and adding in the travel fares because she is counting other people's money to judge them and people like them in a post here. I've even heard people judge others for the likely cost of their camping equipment, on the budget end of travel. Jealousy and judgment of someone else's spending is not mentally healthy. Recently a poster who travels once a year planned to keep their first big vacation a secret from their mom for fear of this very judgment. There is something wrong with being obsessed over someone else's travel budget.


You are inferring that she is judging but I don't see it. In my case I was not judging my friend for getting a private chef-- if she can afford it, good for her. But I did have a moment of "whoa I wonder how much this trip cost, it sounds expensive" and also kind of wondering how they can afford it. That isn't judgment. It's just normal when you see peers spending money in a way you don't to wonder how they can afford it.

You cannot be this thin skinned about money. Get over it. Everyone is in a slightly different financial situation, even among colleagues or socioeconomic peers. It is normal for people to think about money when discussing things paid for with disposable income, like vacations, house remodeling, clothes, entertainment, etc. Freaking out because we a friend might think "huh I wonder how they afforded that trip, it sounds expensive" is childish. People do it all the time.


DP here. It is more childish to try to count others pennies. If grown adults work, they are going to be living life, that includes travel. There is nothing you can do about it. There are some other posts (talk of using a friend's beach house) which indicate that there are more than a few people who expect handouts from their friends, as if their friends don't have their own bills to pay. Who is going to help your friends if they come into hardships? Likely not the ones with their hands out. Learn to stay in your own lane. There will always be someone with more money (or whatever) than you. Always. Learn to deal with it.
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Anonymous wrote:I think people are also trying to make up for the COVID years too to some extent. That might be fading off now

I think it’s making up for lost time and maybe a sense of foreboding? Like all these places won’t be as easily accessible soon bc of climate change and political conflict.


+1

And it's not likely that covid is our last pandemic


Now that Fauci retired, we don't have to worry about him funding gain of function research in Wuhan. So I'm not worried about future pandemics.

Take your tin foil hat somewhere else.


This is not tin foil. Rand Paul has the documents. Let me guess, you listen to NPR?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I admit to struggling with this from a "keeping up" standpoint. We just do not have the money that some of our friends have and also don't have as many vacation days and can't work remotely. And now my kids are really into sports so a lot of their breaks will be taken up with required practices/games/tournaments. I really had to talk myself down that it's 100% amazing that they've done a European trip, several domestic national parks trips, a cruise, and lots of Eastern seaboard city long weekends. Compared to this forum, that is nothing, but really, it's great and has given them a good taste of travel.

Besides our family friends, I can't believe how much my young colleagues travel. One in particular takes 3-4 international trips per year, but I feel like it's just for the pictures! They will go for just 5-6 days, even places as far away from DC as Hawaii in that short time, and I feel like it's just to check a box and get some instagram pictures.


Ok, but WHY do you assume that? Most people who are posting pictures on Instagram are not traveling solely for the pictures. Why go through all that effort and expense for something you don’t enjoy?


We travel like this sometimes (relatively far places for 5-6 days) because that’s the time we have. It’s not for Instagram pictures, it is to use the time and get a small taster of a new place. When we have done those trips, we have often packed them with activities and we leave feeling like we had a much longer trip. I don’t know why you’d assume that short trips are just for the pictures!
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Anonymous wrote:I admit to struggling with this from a "keeping up" standpoint. We just do not have the money that some of our friends have and also don't have as many vacation days and can't work remotely. And now my kids are really into sports so a lot of their breaks will be taken up with required practices/games/tournaments. I really had to talk myself down that it's 100% amazing that they've done a European trip, several domestic national parks trips, a cruise, and lots of Eastern seaboard city long weekends. Compared to this forum, that is nothing, but really, it's great and has given them a good taste of travel.

Besides our family friends, I can't believe how much my young colleagues travel. One in particular takes 3-4 international trips per year, but I feel like it's just for the pictures! They will go for just 5-6 days, even places as far away from DC as Hawaii in that short time, and I feel like it's just to check a box and get some instagram pictures.


Ok, but WHY do you assume that? Most people who are posting pictures on Instagram are not traveling solely for the pictures. Why go through all that effort and expense for something you don’t enjoy?


We travel like this sometimes (relatively far places for 5-6 days) because that’s the time we have. It’s not for Instagram pictures, it is to use the time and get a small taster of a new place. When we have done those trips, we have often packed them with activities and we leave feeling like we had a much longer trip. I don’t know why you’d assume that short trips are just for the pictures!


+1. PP complains she doesn’t have a ton of time off and is judging people for using the limited time they have to see new places!
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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s related to social media. Guaranteed, part of the attraction to taking all these bougie trips is posting the photos to Facebook and Instagram after.

I am one of these people who travel internationally three times a year and I have never posted a travel picture online. I am a very private person who happens to love travel. It’s really sad that some people can’t seem to under that.


Thanks for sharing, I guess?


There are posters on here who seem to believe all trips are solely for posting instagram pics. I travel extensively and many of my friends and family do, and we never post or share pictures. What's the point? I don't need to see pictures of places I've likely already been to. It doesn't cause jealousy or resentment. We're solidly UMC people, not super rich.

The % of travelers traveling for the sake of Instagram is going to be tiny.



Not true, according to my travels and the groups that are dressed alike, taking the same pics over and over again for hours, and blocking the way in most cases. Ew.


It's really hard to take anyone seriously who uses the phrase "Ew."


Whatever. If you take trips for the photos, you are missing out. If you count other people's pennies, you are missing out.



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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think it’s related to social media. Guaranteed, part of the attraction to taking all these bougie trips is posting the photos to Facebook and Instagram after.

I am one of these people who travel internationally three times a year and I have never posted a travel picture online. I am a very private person who happens to love travel. It’s really sad that some people can’t seem to under that.


Thanks for sharing, I guess?


There are posters on here who seem to believe all trips are solely for posting instagram pics. I travel extensively and many of my friends and family do, and we never post or share pictures. What's the point? I don't need to see pictures of places I've likely already been to. It doesn't cause jealousy or resentment. We're solidly UMC people, not super rich.

The % of travelers traveling for the sake of Instagram is going to be tiny.



Not true, according to my travels and the groups that are dressed alike, taking the same pics over and over again for hours, and blocking the way in most cases. Ew.


It's really hard to take anyone seriously who uses the phrase "Ew."


Whatever. If you take trips for the photos, you are missing out. If you count other people's pennies, you are missing out.





Ditto for "whatever." How old are you? (And I don't even have social media.)
Anonymous
If I'm going overseas, I'm not going for just 2 weeks. That's a long way to go just go for 14 days, less really if you include travel time.
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Anonymous wrote:If I'm going overseas, I'm not going for just 2 weeks. That's a long way to go just go for 14 days, less really if you include travel time.


Maybe you don’t, but plenty of people do, especially Americans. We spent our honeymoon in SE Asia and had three weeks. All the Euros and Aussies we met were traveling for longer than that, but all the Americans were there for two weeks tops. They were floored that we managed to take 3 weeks off from our jobs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I have wondered this too. I also grew up in an affluent bubble. Maybe you went on a school trip to Italy in high school or a service trip to Central America, and maybe skiing to Vail once in a while, but no one went on these trips 3-4x a year.

We are comfortable but I do wonder how people afford this?

People live above their means now, more than ever, and also social media likes and keeping up with the Joneses. It’s disgraceful.
Anonymous
We do this. I don't know if I think it's the norm exactly but I do know others who do it too.

A couple of things...had kids on the slightly older side and have flexible jobs with lots of leave. We really enjoy travel and prioritize it. Our kids are great travelers. Yes it's expensive and yes we can afford it. It's factored into our overall financial planning to travel a lot. We very consciously choose to spend money on traveling. Retirement and college fully funded.

I don't post pictures on instagram or anywhere else. So not my motivation, at least.
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