What will you do if you don't get into BASIS/Latin?

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Anonymous wrote:How can you be ok with Inspired Teaching and SWWFS and not BASIS?

May as well keep them at EH then.

BASIS has such high attrition rates that you can be ok with BASIS for 5th grade, but there's a good chance it's not going to turn out to be the full middle school plan. It's on my list, but that concerns me -- that a lot of families that go to BASIS initially wind up having to figure out alternatives in a couple of years later anyway.

I have a theory about this. The attrition comes from the kids who did not want to go to BASIS in the first place, but didn't get into Latin, and parents felt they should give BASIS a shot when offered a spot. BASIS is not for everyone. I know lots of families who did not put it on their list.

+1. I listed both BASIS and Latin, but I knew that if I didn't get into BASIS that I would only spend 5th grade at Latin and then move to private or to the suburbs. Latin wouldn't be a great fit for my kid beyond 5th grade.

Same but we didn't even bother listing Latin.

We did because we knew that many of our kid's friends were heading to Latin.

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18:19 curious why you thought Latin would be good for 5th but not for actual middle school?

If we hadn't gotten into ITDS or Latin for 5th, we would have lotteried for SH in 6th.

But I think chances are good we will rent out our house and rent in Arlington before too many more years go by, b/c Walls, Banneker & McKinley will not be options for us, and I'd rather get the in-state tuition benefits for Northern Va CC & George Mason than rent in JR area.

(We may try for Duke Ellington if we can convince our kid to get more serious about getting better at a performing art she has dabbled in)

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Anonymous wrote:From the open house, I understood that they routinely hold kids back. If a child does not want to repeat the grade, they have to leave, so technically you cannot fault the school or call the practice illegal, as the parent is choosing to withdraw.

Most public schools do not hold kids back even if they are way behind. Both are problematic in their own different ways.

I actually struggle to see what is problematic about holding back students who are behind.

Mississippi declared that any third grader who couldn't pass a state reading test automatically flunked third grade. The result? Test scores went through the roof.

“Mississippi is a huge success story and very exciting,” David Deming, a Harvard economist and education expert, told me. What’s so significant, he said, is that while Mississippi hasn’t overcome poverty or racism, it still manages to get kids to read and excel.

“You cannot use poverty as an excuse. That’s the most important lesson,” Deming added. “It’s so important, I want to shout it from the mountaintop.” What Mississippi teaches, he said, is that “we shouldn’t be giving up on children.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/opinion/mississippi-education-poverty.html

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

Thank you for this nuanced response. As someone who lives on the Hill who isn’t white and does have a kid with disabilities, I’ve always felt that the smug parents who pat themselves on the back for “choosing” EH/Eastern were being more than a little bit racist.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

Thank you for this nuanced response. As someone who lives on the Hill who isn’t white and does have a kid with disabilities, I’ve always felt that the smug parents who pat themselves on the back for “choosing” EH/Eastern were being more than a little bit racist.

I’ve been posting about EH and my kid does have a disability. And what PP posted suggesting there are no good extracurricular opportunities or “stable”
families there is just untrue.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

Most parents I know who have sent their kids to EH aren't doing any of these things.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

Most parents I know who have sent their kids to EH aren't doing any of these things.

+1. Most families I know who send their kid to EH are not the families who send their kids to tutoring or stress about colleges. They know that there are lots of colleges in the US, and you don't need to go to a top 10 university to have a successful life.

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Anonymous wrote:From the open house, I understood that they routinely hold kids back. If a child does not want to repeat the grade, they have to leave, so technically you cannot fault the school or call the practice illegal, as the parent is choosing to withdraw.

Most public schools do not hold kids back even if they are way behind. Both are problematic in their own different ways.

I actually struggle to see what is problematic about holding back students who are behind.

Mississippi declared that any third grader who couldn't pass a state reading test automatically flunked third grade. The result? Test scores went through the roof.

“Mississippi is a huge success story and very exciting,” David Deming, a Harvard economist and education expert, told me. What’s so significant, he said, is that while Mississippi hasn’t overcome poverty or racism, it still manages to get kids to read and excel.

“You cannot use poverty as an excuse. That’s the most important lesson,” Deming added. “It’s so important, I want to shout it from the mountaintop.” What Mississippi teaches, he said, is that “we shouldn’t be giving up on children.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/31/opinion/mississippi-education-poverty.html

Wow that is impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

Most parents I know who have sent their kids to EH aren't doing any of these things.

+1. Most families I know who send their kid to EH are not the families who send their kids to tutoring or stress about colleges. They know that there are lots of colleges in the US, and you don't need to go to a top 10 university to have a successful life.

Funny, most of the EH parents I know are paying for tutors/supplementing because they think sending their kid to EH is the inside track to Walls and know EH academics are a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

What’s your point in attacking people who are telling you they like their kid’s school? What’s that about? You seriously think you can run around calling schools “terrible” and “subpar” and won’t be called out on it? Are you somehow threatened by people sending their kids to schools you avoid? gtfo.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

Most parents I know who have sent their kids to EH aren't doing any of these things.

+1. Most families I know who send their kid to EH are not the families who send their kids to tutoring or stress about colleges. They know that there are lots of colleges in the US, and you don't need to go to a top 10 university to have a successful life.

Funny, most of the EH parents I know are paying for tutors/supplementing because they think sending their kid to EH is the inside track to Walls and know EH academics are a joke.

this has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read on DCUM. trust, nobody is sending their kid to EH because they believe they are gaming the system 😂 if someone told you that it’s because you are an unbearably competitive busybody and they were trying to get you to go away.

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Anonymous wrote:The test scores at EH are high for white students who aren't ell and don't have disabilities. But they are high for that population at any dcps that has enough of such kids to report. But getting a 4 or 5 on parcc isn't the same as having good language and arts classes, sports and other extracurriculars, and a group of classmates from stable and highly educated families. Some people are happy or ok without those things. Some see the economic diversity at a school like EH as a positive that outweighs any negatives, or at least something tolerable because it allows them to stay in their home on the Hill. Some kids will thrive and others will wish their parents moved to MoCo. There isn't one right answer.

I’m an EH parent and I can tell you my kid is having a great time, teachers have been very responsive, and some of the admins are flat-out wonderful. It’s not a fancy private school where you can pay to filter out real life. Given the US will be majority-minority for our kids I actually think this is crucial for white boys. It is FAR from perfect but calling it “terrible” is ridiculous. PS the kids love the extra curriculars.

(also LOL at the idea that the school has no “stable and highly educated families.” I’d list the credentials we all have but that would be obnoxious. It’s just not dominated by “us” which makes people uncomfortable in theory I get it. But in practice it’s absolutely the least of my concerns.)

If you are implying that people are uncomfortable with diversity and that’s why they’re not choosing EH, then you’re exactly the kind of virtue signaling clueless jerk referenced in the OP. There are plenty of diverse schools that don’t have test scores in the toilet.

A lot of these parents are choosing their Hill lifestyle over their kids academic future, and banking on Walls. It will be interesting to see what happens if their kid doesn’t get in. My guess is Eastern will be too much “real life.” :roll:

That’s exactly what PP suggested - “lack of stable and highly educated families” as a reason not to attend. It’s not virtue signaling for me to a) correct the misperception and b) tell you that it is the least of my concerns. And it’s neither here nor there, but FYI, there are many solid black middle-class families at EH.

I don’t gaf about your “virtue singnaling” accusations because I am actually sending my kid to the school and have no need to signal anything. But yes, I am going to correct ridiculous public statements that the school is “terrible.” You can send your kid wherever you want but you can’t say sh*t like that and not expect to be corrected.

Let me correct you- trust me sending your kid to a subpar school and telling everyone how great it is (while you secretly pay for tutors, college counselors, and scoop up all the opportunities available for kids title one schools) is virtue signaling. You’re fooling no one.

What’s your point in attacking people who are telling you they like their kid’s school? What’s that about? You seriously think you can run around calling schools “terrible” and “subpar” and won’t be called out on it? Are you somehow threatened by people sending their kids to schools you avoid? gtfo.

I sometimes wonder what percent of this back and forth are parents from the same feeder school community. There are parents and families choosing to send their kids there from the other feeder schools, as well as from elementary schools outside of the feeder pattern. The bubbles people live in/talk to can be very different - 'everybody I know supplements, but everybody you know does not' - there are hundreds of families at that school, and at every school. Many are happy there. Agree with PP. Seriously lay off the attacks folks, if you land a spot at a school you aren't familiar with, go visit or start asking more question of a range of parents.

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So who is moving after the lottery results last night?

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We got into BASIS, are high on the waitlist for Latin Cooper Campus, and lower for Latin's main campus. We could also stay at our DCPCS and get into DCI for 6th grade. How do people make these choices?!