NYTimes article on diversity in admissions
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Anonymous
Well, not just MAGA. White liberals, too. And don't forget about Asians. Or Hispanics. And the problem isn't "diversity"; it's black people they don't like very much. In San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez, 411 U.S. 1 (1973), the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not require the state to provide equal funding for school districts. As long as public schools are funded primarily through the local tax base and not through a single statewide monetary source, there will always be a vast disparity between wealthy and middle class, white school districts and poorer, black school districts. (Interestingly, one year later, that same Supreme Court ruled school districts that failed to fund English language specifically for Chinese students to receive the same quality education as their white peers were in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. See Lau v. Nichols, 414 U.S. 563 (1974).) Neither white liberals nor white conservatives have any desire to upset this status quo. Conservatives don't believe that black students can be educated no matter how much money is invested in them. https://www.epi.org/publication/unfinished-march-public-school-segregation/; https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/sites/default/files/virtuallibrary/documents/jul10/53.pdf. Liberals are not as strident in this belief, but their actions make clear they're not exactly crazy about sending their children to schools with more than a smattering of black kids. The most racially segregated states in the Union for public school students: New York and California. https://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/news/press-releases/2021-press-releases/report-shows-school-segregation-in-new-york-remains-worst-in-nation. Asian families have long associated excellence in education as a product of white-majority schools and often sought remedy from the courts to avoid their children sitting next to black schoolchildren. https://time.com/4533476/lum-v-rice-water-tossing-boulders/. Hispanic parents share their Asian counterparts' low regard for black schools and students. Both groups vehemently oppose any efforts to increase the number of black students at white-majority schools they perceive as offering an elite education. https://news.utexas.edu/2022/01/25/new-york-school-leaders-can-help-eliminate-parents-racial-avoidance/; https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/metrocenter/perspectives/new-york-citys-plan-diversify-specialized-high-schools-racist-toward-asian. |
Anonymous
I’ll agree to disagree! |
Anonymous
It's obvious why the opponents don't care. Supporters likely believe that those might be compensated with lower income populations from all races, which might be less privileged than URMs from very wealthy families |
Anonymous
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Scenario 4 is the dream but, sadly, it has remained just that even after years of effort by very smart individuals and very motivated institutions.
Until that nut is cracked, all secondary schools should have to report average gpa to effectuate scenario 3; secondary school PSAT and SAT info is already known to all colleges. |
Anonymous
Curious, where, how, or when is a white male (or an Asian male for that matter) celebrated? |
Anonymous
DP. Racial diversity is NOT more important than economic diversity. Anyway, most people disagree with you, so your opinion is irrelevant. |
Anonymous
Well said. |
Anonymous
Idk, before the decision ,opponents were telling us this was an important step forward to a color blind society. You'd think they'd be crowing about how we're closer to a meritocracy now that undeserving URMs have been shown the door. And supporters were telling us the sky would fall oi AA were abolished, but no one is acting like the sky is falling now. Basically no one wants to touch it. It would be one thing if it was just ivies, which people hate, but this story is about the whole T80, which includes a lot of state flagships. I think people - on both sides - are in denial about the size of the gaps that exist between URM students and whites/Asians. Not gaps, chasms. They think it'll be a few less blacks here and there. But it's gonna be a 30% or more decline. If AOs really juke it. No one is ready for this. |
Anonymous
| All I can think of is the arms race and the one-upmanship my kids will endure. Each highschool in our area has a different magnet program. The one DC1 is interested in is located at the rich, high-pressure high school. We moved out of the DMV to allow him to have a more normal high school experience. This would pit DC1 against the most competitive, cut-throat kids in the county, just because he’s interested in a certain subject. DC2 was interested in applying to a magnet program at a less competitive high school, and this can only help him. I don’t know what we’ll do when the time comes. |
Anonymous
Based on interviewing, this chasm exists after college as well. We get a ton of pressure to lower standards when hiring candidates to increase our diversity numbers. |
Anonymous
I subscribe as well. I think it’s less about age and more about your socioeconomic status / politics/intellectual interests (or lack thereof) than age. |
Anonymous
My work does this too. I can't imagine it will be legal for much longer. |
Anonymous
It's gonna be a decline? I think we're ready for it. |
Anonymous
And it's still hard to find qualified candidates, even with lowered standards. |
Anonymous
Your situation sounds somewhat like ours. Our locality tries to play games with some of the programs by putting things like the full IB slate or the engineering magnet at HSs with high FARMs and otherwise low test scores. To some extent, it works. All are fully accredited (except one that has “conditions”) but it’s all on the backs of the magnet kids. And there’s very little interaction between “center” and “gen ed” kids. What would be interesting is if they’d put the trade-school/certification programs at the high(er) SES HSs but that will never happen. Our DC are at a magnet program in a lower (overall) stress, highly diverse HS. It has lots of challenges but is infinitely better than the insanely competitive and cutthroat atmosphere at the high end schools. As for recruiting, pffft, UVA bailed and VT never even planned to come. Ivies or other Top 20? You’ve got to be kidding me. But the JMU, Radford, CNU, VCU, VUU, VSU, Hampton, & ODU reps are kind and regulars. USC and Elon used to show but not this year. Regardless, the top 15% will likely go on to college. Somewhere. And do well…probably everywhere. They are tough and talented. |