Arlington losing families

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

If you look at the number of units created vs the number of projects, the majority of new units will be in 4 to 6-plexes.

Having more housing options can help all sorts of people, including families.

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

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If I had to do it again, I’d move to Fairfax. Better schools and cheaper houses. Both reasons support leaving Arlington! Smart families!

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Anonymous wrote:What misinfo am I spreading? Our north alrington school does not have homework and thats a fact. And I know that many of the elementary schools do not require homework. I also know Sawnson middle school (where I have a child) does not require much homework.

I'm not sure how that is misinformation? Please let me know which schools do require homework, especially at the elementary level. I'd love to know!!

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have any homework in our elementary school in north arlington. And very little in middle.

So you are incorrect!! Most elementarys in arlington do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow such vitriol. I was just curious. We are a young family and about half our block goes to private — if we were doing it again, we would have moved to Fairfax and saved the tuition money.

Combined with less frequent commutes, I wonder if Arlington prices will actually decline.

You are so, so clueless.

Seriously. Starting with, less reject the premise that the schools lack rigor. What an absurd, lazy trope unsupported by any evidence.

They eliminated gifted, zero homework policy, unlimited test retakes, and standards based grading. Rigor ELIMINATED.

Do you actually have a kid in APS? Clearly not.

Because they haven’t eliminated gifts and kids still get homework. And there are not unlimited test retakes.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Some ES schools eliminating homework does not mean that APS eliminated homework. Stop spreading misinformation.

You didn't say "my kids' ES". We were talking about APS and spoke as if there wasn't homework anywhere.

Also you said they:
eliminated gifts - untrue
allow unlimited test retakes - untrue
are doing SBG - untrue

Okay lets pivot a bit:

rather than eliminate, we can say undermine and watered down?

reduced hours allowed and scope of allowed homework: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/ape-reports/homework-policy
gifted rebranded to aac and no longer taughter by trained GT teacher but instead handled by classroom teacher and must be made available to all members of the class and the associated overhead that entails
unlimited retakes -- set a floor of 80% as the grade that student can ever get on a test (because they can retake until they get 80%)
SBG is happening at all elemtaries and is going to be expanded to middle school and eventually non-AP high school courses

without questions these are big changes that are unpopular with academically focused parents.

Now I understand why you're spreading misinformation...

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

You're lumping together 3-plexes with duplexes. I have serious doubts that young families are going to want to live in what MM is calling a 3 unit townhouse. The lots for these are tiny with no yards and aren't what people think of as a typical townhouse in Arlington. Families will choose Fairfax over these.

Be as pedantic as you want, but the vast majority of MM housing isnt anything a family would choose.

You’re mad because you misread what I wrote. I very clearly said THs/duplexes from the start.

Families all over the world, and even right here in Arlington, live in smaller THs/duplexes.

Families live in townhouses with an infant and then move. We lived in a townhouse complex with kids — they ALL left us behind.

All over the world doesn’t matter, and in Arlington being the “townhouse” family is nightmare for playdates — no one wants to deal with the parking and kids are bored with zero yard space. Now a townhouse community with nice playground and pool, maybe nice but none of those here with MM.

Sounds like THs can be great first homes for young families. Great way to start building equity for a future home purchase. Just like you and your neighbors all did.

Sure a TH is better than renting most of the time, but TH appreciate WAY slower than SFH so they are much better buying the exurb SFH sooner rather than buying a TH

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

There are vanishingly few families in condos in Arlington that aren’t on assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

There are vanishingly few families in condos in Arlington that aren’t on assistance.

BS - I know tons.

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

You're lumping together 3-plexes with duplexes. I have serious doubts that young families are going to want to live in what MM is calling a 3 unit townhouse. The lots for these are tiny with no yards and aren't what people think of as a typical townhouse in Arlington. Families will choose Fairfax over these.

Be as pedantic as you want, but the vast majority of MM housing isnt anything a family would choose.

You’re mad because you misread what I wrote. I very clearly said THs/duplexes from the start.

Families all over the world, and even right here in Arlington, live in smaller THs/duplexes.

Families live in townhouses with an infant and then move. We lived in a townhouse complex with kids — they ALL left us behind.

All over the world doesn’t matter, and in Arlington being the “townhouse” family is nightmare for playdates — no one wants to deal with the parking and kids are bored with zero yard space. Now a townhouse community with nice playground and pool, maybe nice but none of those here with MM.

Sounds like THs can be great first homes for young families. Great way to start building equity for a future home purchase. Just like you and your neighbors all did.

The whole article is about young families leaving Arlington, likely when they want a SFH with a yard and more space. MM doesn't fill that gap. If anything those less expensive homes are being purchased by developers to be turned into 4 and 6 plexes.

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

There are vanishingly few families in condos in Arlington that aren’t on assistance.

BS - I know tons.

With kids older than infants?

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

You're lumping together 3-plexes with duplexes. I have serious doubts that young families are going to want to live in what MM is calling a 3 unit townhouse. The lots for these are tiny with no yards and aren't what people think of as a typical townhouse in Arlington. Families will choose Fairfax over these.

Be as pedantic as you want, but the vast majority of MM housing isnt anything a family would choose.

You’re mad because you misread what I wrote. I very clearly said THs/duplexes from the start.

Families all over the world, and even right here in Arlington, live in smaller THs/duplexes.

Families live in townhouses with an infant and then move. We lived in a townhouse complex with kids — they ALL left us behind.

All over the world doesn’t matter, and in Arlington being the “townhouse” family is nightmare for playdates — no one wants to deal with the parking and kids are bored with zero yard space. Now a townhouse community with nice playground and pool, maybe nice but none of those here with MM.

Sounds like THs can be great first homes for young families. Great way to start building equity for a future home purchase. Just like you and your neighbors all did.

The whole article is about young families leaving Arlington, likely when they want a SFH with a yard and more space. MM doesn't fill that gap. If anything those less expensive homes are being purchased by developers to be turned into 4 and 6 plexes.

Exactly the supply of cheaper fixer uppers has gone to zero.

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I’m not the poster. But prove this isnt correct?

I don’t understand why holding APS accountable is such a bad thing.

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Anonymous wrote:What misinfo am I spreading? Our north alrington school does not have homework and thats a fact. And I know that many of the elementary schools do not require homework. I also know Sawnson middle school (where I have a child) does not require much homework.

I'm not sure how that is misinformation? Please let me know which schools do require homework, especially at the elementary level. I'd love to know!!

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Anonymous wrote:We don't have any homework in our elementary school in north arlington. And very little in middle.

So you are incorrect!! Most elementarys in arlington do not.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow such vitriol. I was just curious. We are a young family and about half our block goes to private — if we were doing it again, we would have moved to Fairfax and saved the tuition money.

Combined with less frequent commutes, I wonder if Arlington prices will actually decline.

You are so, so clueless.

Seriously. Starting with, less reject the premise that the schools lack rigor. What an absurd, lazy trope unsupported by any evidence.

They eliminated gifted, zero homework policy, unlimited test retakes, and standards based grading. Rigor ELIMINATED.

Do you actually have a kid in APS? Clearly not.

Because they haven’t eliminated gifts and kids still get homework. And there are not unlimited test retakes.

Stop spreading misinformation.

Some ES schools eliminating homework does not mean that APS eliminated homework. Stop spreading misinformation.

You didn't say "my kids' ES". We were talking about APS and spoke as if there wasn't homework anywhere.

Also you said they:
eliminated gifts - untrue
allow unlimited test retakes - untrue
are doing SBG - untrue

Okay lets pivot a bit:

rather than eliminate, we can say undermine and watered down?

reduced hours allowed and scope of allowed homework: https://www.arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/ape-reports/homework-policy
gifted rebranded to aac and no longer taughter by trained GT teacher but instead handled by classroom teacher and must be made available to all members of the class and the associated overhead that entails
unlimited retakes -- set a floor of 80% as the grade that student can ever get on a test (because they can retake until they get 80%)
SBG is happening at all elemtaries and is going to be expanded to middle school and eventually non-AP high school courses

without questions these are big changes that are unpopular with academically focused parents.

Now I understand why you're spreading misinformation...

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

There are vanishingly few families in condos in Arlington that aren’t on assistance.

BS - I know tons.

With kids older than infants?

I’m not PP, but yes, a lot of kids at our school live in condos and apartments that are not on assistance. It varies by school zone I’m sure.

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also, let’s not forget about the large class sizes at APS. My daughter’s K class is 24 kids and my 3rd graders class is now at 25. I hope more families are leaving.

And let’s it forget to mention the mass exit of many teachers due to the lower pay and COL here. Last year we saw all of the 4th grade team leave as well as most of 2nd. Year before that is was all of K and kids started with subs! Plus most of the Sped department and our principal. APS is a mess.

I don’t think the schools are the biggest driving factor, since I believe this has been a slow burn and when we bought in Arl 10 years ago the schools were still ok. I do think housing is the bigger issue. I also don’t believe all of FFX schools are equal. Mclean HS, Langley (if you want to move that far) are good but COL is just as high (at least in Mclean HS).

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Anonymous wrote:I will also add that, as far as the retake policy, this just changed. And it was because APS realized how terrible the previous policy was and how it varied from school to school and teacher to teacher (some teachers made kids jump through hoops to do a retake while others handed out the same test). 

I think the retake policy was well intended; we want kids to learn the material, not just be after the "A." But it was poorly executed and thought out and created more work for teachers (creating more than one test, finding time to give out retakes, etc.). It also stressed some kids out who are constantly striving for the best grade; they became behind on new content while trying to study (again) for previous content. Or, they had soccer that night and just decided not to study and see what was on the test, knowing they could take it again.

Absolutely no one is deciding where to live based on a short lived retake policy. Probably 95% of all decisions are based on housing prices and commute. Special programs like immersion, TJ and AAP may sway a few one way or the other. The rest is just noise.

It’s just death by a thousand cuts which is making the perception of APS as a school system which is too focused on equity to the detriment of mainstream student, and underinvestment in facilities which leads to massive overcrowding.

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

A townhouse on a tiny lot sounded dreary for a young family. No need for a single family home

There are families today living in THs that have zero yard.

And there are MANY families living in, gasp, condos!

If there were MM units in a desired school zone that could be appealing to some buyers/renters.

There are vanishingly few families in condos in Arlington that aren’t on assistance.

BS - I know tons.

With kids older than infants?

Yes, kids in MS (Hamm) and HS (W-L).

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Anonymous wrote:If we limit housing options that aren’t $2M+ new builds, people cry that the county is losing families with young kids. But if we support new housing, including multi-family dwellings, people cry that the schools will be overcrowded. Which is it? There are ways to make it easier for families with young kids to live in Arlington county, but residents fight it any chance they get.

Let’s say the quiet part out loud. What many residents want are families that can afford $2M+ houses and young adults living in condos or apartments who pay taxes but don’t have kids. I suppose families with young kids crowded into apartments in South Arlington are ok as long as people north of Langston Blvd. don’t have to think about them.

The young families are leaving for single family homes with yards. Neither the $2M new builds or the missing middle six family units will change that

Totally agree. Missing middle isn't going to help keep young families in Arlington. They don't want to live in a 6-plex 2 bedroom condo with no yard and not enough parking for $1.5m. They'll go to Fairfax for a SFH.

Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes.

Move this thread to political. Or delete it. Too much misinformation.

Only 15% of approved MM permits are for duplexes, while about 50% of permits are for 4-6 unit buildings with the most of those being 6 units.

Overall, the greatest number of MM permits are for 6 unit buildings (about 37%).

Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Building/Permits/EHO/Tracker

There are a limited number of large lots so as time goes on the average # units/building will go down.

WRONG. The percentages I posted are taken from the approved permits on the county site that you linked. Only 15% of approved permits are for duplexes. About 50% of permits are for 4-6 plexes.

I'm right. Look at the link.

There are 14 duplex/TH/semi-detached approved projects. And 13 MF (10 6-plex). 14 > 13

10 D/T/S are proposed and 8 MF. 10 > 8

I'll be waiting patiently for your apology.

I'm not wrong. Five out of 27 approved permits are for duplexes. Thirteen out of 27 approved projects are for 4-6 plexes.

OK. And there are also townhouses and semi-detached homes...

First, I said "Most MM won’t be 6-plex. MANY families live in THs/duplexes."

Then, I said: "Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached."

Both are 100% accurate according to the tracker.

14 > 13 approved
10 > 8 under review

Patiently waiting here...

The largest category of housing being built under MM is a 6 unit multi family building. That's the single most popular option.

A plurality isn’t a majority.

Again:
>Many families live in THs/duplexes.
>Most MM won’t be 6-plex.
>Most of the approved (and pending) projects are duplex/THs/semi-detached.

You're lumping together 3-plexes with duplexes. I have serious doubts that young families are going to want to live in what MM is calling a 3 unit townhouse. The lots for these are tiny with no yards and aren't what people think of as a typical townhouse in Arlington. Families will choose Fairfax over these.

Be as pedantic as you want, but the vast majority of MM housing isnt anything a family would choose.

You’re mad because you misread what I wrote. I very clearly said THs/duplexes from the start.

Families all over the world, and even right here in Arlington, live in smaller THs/duplexes.

Families live in townhouses with an infant and then move. We lived in a townhouse complex with kids — they ALL left us behind.

All over the world doesn’t matter, and in Arlington being the “townhouse” family is nightmare for playdates — no one wants to deal with the parking and kids are bored with zero yard space. Now a townhouse community with nice playground and pool, maybe nice but none of those here with MM.

Sounds like THs can be great first homes for young families. Great way to start building equity for a future home purchase. Just like you and your neighbors all did.

The whole article is about young families leaving Arlington, likely when they want a SFH with a yard and more space. MM doesn't fill that gap. If anything those less expensive homes are being purchased by developers to be turned into 4 and 6 plexes.

So far, most of MM projects are duplexes and THs.