Is it just me thinking wfh is abused?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a widespread practice.

It is very widespread. The people lashing out on this thread are defensive because they do it.

Some companies have noticed they are losing our (as in not getting out of employees what they are getting paid to do) and have starting monitoring or bringing people back to the office.

Every company has a different threshold for what it is willing to put up with.

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You realize the number of people with young kids is very few compared to older kids, teens and no kids so you are making drama out of nothing. If they don't do their work, fire them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any parents skipping daycare but know several who gave up afterschool care (and they can definitely afford it). They also take an hour each day (outside of lunch) to pick their kids up at school and walk them home (but still log off at 5-5:30).

It’s frustrating to see as someone with kids who does the right thing, but I don’t work for their employers. If these are your coworkers, complain if it’s impacting you. Otherwise just smile politely when they complain about not getting raises or watch as their career stall.

I am sort of like this, except I start my day at 7 AM, frequently eat at my desk, and only take 20-30 minutes for pickup, so I'm definitely working a minimum of 8 hours a day. My 9 year old just wants to come home and veg on the couch until I'm done work. I don't see how this is abusing WFH. Maybe you don't see your coworkers logging on super early to make up time.

Well with all those caveats it certainly sounds like you are not abusing WFH and should probably be slightly annoyed with those that are, and whose actions could jeopardize your flexibility.

I don't actually know anyone I work with who abuses WFH flexibility, so no, I'm not annoyed with hypotheticals. I can honestly say I have excellent, dedicated colleagues who go above and beyond wherever they are working from. The RTO push jeopardizing my flexibility in my workplace has absolutely NOTHING to do with abuse of WFH.

Sure. Tell yourself that pipe dream. I did WFH on Friday due to snow. I logged on at 9ish in my PJs. Breakfast with family 10ish, shoveled out big driveway 12-2pm, lunch 2-230 back on line 30 minutes, then showered and got dressed, back on line 430 pm to 5:15 pm. Pretty much my schedule when fully remote in 2021 and 2022.

As opposed showered and dressed at my desk 830am to 530 pm every day with a 15 minute lunch in person

This is the truth. The idea that most WHF are chained to their home office and not running errands, taking kids to appointments or activities, doing housework throughout the day is simply a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:I love WFH bc I can walk my kids to and from school. They go to aftercare. But if I had to commute every morning, I wouldn’t get that time with them.

So for me, not spending 2+ hours commuting is huge in my work/life balance. It’s also easier when they are sick. Mine are big enough (7&9) now that they mostly watch tv while sick. 5 and younger is hard.

Unless you are spending that two hours saved commuting what is the benefit to the company?

A happy employee? If I go to the office, I am not more productive. I’m doing exactly the same amount of work. But I’m a million times happier with full time WFH.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any parents skipping daycare but know several who gave up afterschool care (and they can definitely afford it). They also take an hour each day (outside of lunch) to pick their kids up at school and walk them home (but still log off at 5-5:30).

It’s frustrating to see as someone with kids who does the right thing, but I don’t work for their employers. If these are your coworkers, complain if it’s impacting you. Otherwise just smile politely when they complain about not getting raises or watch as their career stall.

I am sort of like this, except I start my day at 7 AM, frequently eat at my desk, and only take 20-30 minutes for pickup, so I'm definitely working a minimum of 8 hours a day. My 9 year old just wants to come home and veg on the couch until I'm done work. I don't see how this is abusing WFH. Maybe you don't see your coworkers logging on super early to make up time.

Well with all those caveats it certainly sounds like you are not abusing WFH and should probably be slightly annoyed with those that are, and whose actions could jeopardize your flexibility.

I don't actually know anyone I work with who abuses WFH flexibility, so no, I'm not annoyed with hypotheticals. I can honestly say I have excellent, dedicated colleagues who go above and beyond wherever they are working from. The RTO push jeopardizing my flexibility in my workplace has absolutely NOTHING to do with abuse of WFH.

Sure. Tell yourself that pipe dream. I did WFH on Friday due to snow. I logged on at 9ish in my PJs. Breakfast with family 10ish, shoveled out big driveway 12-2pm, lunch 2-230 back on line 30 minutes, then showered and got dressed, back on line 430 pm to 5:15 pm. Pretty much my schedule when fully remote in 2021 and 2022.

As opposed showered and dressed at my desk 830am to 530 pm every day with a 15 minute lunch in person

This is the truth. The idea that most WHF are chained to their home office and not running errands, taking kids to appointments or activities, doing housework throughout the day is simply a lie.

I did that when I worked in an office too…

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any parents skipping daycare but know several who gave up afterschool care (and they can definitely afford it). They also take an hour each day (outside of lunch) to pick their kids up at school and walk them home (but still log off at 5-5:30).

It’s frustrating to see as someone with kids who does the right thing, but I don’t work for their employers. If these are your coworkers, complain if it’s impacting you. Otherwise just smile politely when they complain about not getting raises or watch as their career stall.

I am sort of like this, except I start my day at 7 AM, frequently eat at my desk, and only take 20-30 minutes for pickup, so I'm definitely working a minimum of 8 hours a day. My 9 year old just wants to come home and veg on the couch until I'm done work. I don't see how this is abusing WFH. Maybe you don't see your coworkers logging on super early to make up time.

Well with all those caveats it certainly sounds like you are not abusing WFH and should probably be slightly annoyed with those that are, and whose actions could jeopardize your flexibility.

I don't actually know anyone I work with who abuses WFH flexibility, so no, I'm not annoyed with hypotheticals. I can honestly say I have excellent, dedicated colleagues who go above and beyond wherever they are working from. The RTO push jeopardizing my flexibility in my workplace has absolutely NOTHING to do with abuse of WFH.

Sure. Tell yourself that pipe dream. I did WFH on Friday due to snow. I logged on at 9ish in my PJs. Breakfast with family 10ish, shoveled out big driveway 12-2pm, lunch 2-230 back on line 30 minutes, then showered and got dressed, back on line 430 pm to 5:15 pm. Pretty much my schedule when fully remote in 2021 and 2022.

As opposed showered and dressed at my desk 830am to 530 pm every day with a 15 minute lunch in person

This is the truth. The idea that most WHF are chained to their home office and not running errands, taking kids to appointments or activities, doing housework throughout the day is simply a lie.

And yet the world continues to spin.

What is your problem? Specifically? Do you own a company, do you manage employees, what? Please explain why any of this matters to you personally?

[Anonymous]

Other than the recent snowdays I can't think of a time when someone's kids interrupted a meeting. My office policy is something like you can't have kids in the home without another care giver who are 8 or under. My middle schoolers are home in the afternoon and occasions days off while I'm working. But they're to glued to their own devices to worry about what I'm doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any parents skipping daycare but know several who gave up afterschool care (and they can definitely afford it). They also take an hour each day (outside of lunch) to pick their kids up at school and walk them home (but still log off at 5-5:30).

It’s frustrating to see as someone with kids who does the right thing, but I don’t work for their employers. If these are your coworkers, complain if it’s impacting you. Otherwise just smile politely when they complain about not getting raises or watch as their career stall.

I am sort of like this, except I start my day at 7 AM, frequently eat at my desk, and only take 20-30 minutes for pickup, so I'm definitely working a minimum of 8 hours a day. My 9 year old just wants to come home and veg on the couch until I'm done work. I don't see how this is abusing WFH. Maybe you don't see your coworkers logging on super early to make up time.

Well with all those caveats it certainly sounds like you are not abusing WFH and should probably be slightly annoyed with those that are, and whose actions could jeopardize your flexibility.

I don't actually know anyone I work with who abuses WFH flexibility, so no, I'm not annoyed with hypotheticals. I can honestly say I have excellent, dedicated colleagues who go above and beyond wherever they are working from. The RTO push jeopardizing my flexibility in my workplace has absolutely NOTHING to do with abuse of WFH.

Sure. Tell yourself that pipe dream. I did WFH on Friday due to snow. I logged on at 9ish in my PJs. Breakfast with family 10ish, shoveled out big driveway 12-2pm, lunch 2-230 back on line 30 minutes, then showered and got dressed, back on line 430 pm to 5:15 pm. Pretty much my schedule when fully remote in 2021 and 2022.

As opposed showered and dressed at my desk 830am to 530 pm every day with a 15 minute lunch in person

Why do you think everyone is a bum like you?

[Anonymous]

Yes you are the very first person to wonder this, ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes you are the very first person to wonder this, ever.

OP really deserves a medal for Most Original DCUM Post Ever.

[Anonymous]

Really, who cares? There's a lot of abuse of personal time at work, too. Commuting is a huge time suck too.

If people get work done, they will in either place. If not, it will be obvious after a while.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not like people are paid fairly. I make up for it by slacking during wfh.

Yup. I work 50% of the time. Makes my low salary seem like I'm making a windfall. Sorry - suck it.

[Anonymous]

There are literally wealthy heirs who spend everyday partying on yachts and traveling all over the world and you're worried that Jane who used to sit in cube 119 can now walk her kid to school at 8:00 a.m. You must have a happy home life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mom of two here. I find it ridiculous that people wfh on a regular basis and are clearly taking care of children at the same time. Suddenly they can't afford childcare even though they don't have to pump gas in the car for a daily commute? It's ridiculous. I'm not talking about the one off snow day or sudden emergency but a regular pattern. Amazed employers haven't started creating policies around this or making employee come into work. Classic example of fussing babies and children needing attention during virtual meetings. Employees are taking advantage and double dipping. Ridiculous.

Childcare is the number one problem facing working parents both in availability, coverage, and cost.
One of the main reasons we are leaning to not having a second is because of 5 years of trying to figure out childcare. Infant care is out of this world expensive, close to 1800+ for a center and spots are rare. We live in PG.
After 2 you can do more preschool but then it's weeks off every year. Stay in a center and you are still paying 1500/mo. Our full day preschool was 1300 through the school year and followed PG schools. Meaning snow days, half days, virtual days, etc.
My K kid has a virtual asynchronous day tomorrow where we have to take him through a packet from 8-12 tomorrow and then he's off the rest of the day. This is completely new concept and it's bullsh$t. A half day used to mean we got a half day of work in now it's a full day off.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not like people are paid fairly. I make up for it by slacking during wfh.

Yup. I work 50% of the time. Makes my low salary seem like I'm making a windfall. Sorry - suck it.

And … employee of the month goes to: /s