McDonogh vs Bryn Mawr

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Anonymous wrote:One is co-ed, one is all-girls

One is way out in the suburbs, one is in Baltimore City

One has a reputation for well-rounded kids with an emphasis on sports, one has a reputation for being an academic pressure cooker

One seems popular with long-time Baltimore families and is a bit more conservative, one is laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high-achieving immigrants

It's a little surprising you need all of these differences laid out for you. How did you pick these 2 schools? Have you set foot on either campus?

Other than geographical locations, literally nothing in this quote is accurate.

Huh? Not the person you’re replying to but.. all looks 100% accurate to me. My kid is in a different Baltimore independent school, but everyone knows this stuff about both McDonogh and BMS. Which of these assertions do you dispute?

Well, for one, there is of course well rounded kids at both schools. Bryn Mawr doesn’t recruit athletes but most girls participate in sports and some are quite competitive in the IAAM. Bryn Mawr isn’t an academic pressure cooker. Mcdonogh is not more popular with long time Baltimore families. Bryn Mawr is not “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants.” Doesn’t leave much.

Source: had one daughter and several other family members recently attend Bryn Mawr, son is at Gilman, and know lots of kids at all the other Baltimore private schools including Mcdonogh. I also have one child who applied and was accepted to Mcdonogh but chose not to attend.

Oh, come on. Sure, plenty of Bryn Mawr girls play sports. But McDonogh is sportier. Of course what makes an “academic pressure cooker” is subjective, but Bryn Mawr is a heck of a lot closer than McD. I do agree with you that for real old Baltimore money the pipeline is Calvert > Gilman/Bryn Mawr. But for County money, McDonogh is certainly a popular choice.

Do you think that Gilman is “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants”? I do, and we are a Gilman family. But again, I guess “laden” is subjective.

Anyway, I think PP’s post is basically sound information, albeit obvious stuff.

High achieving immigrants? I think there are very few at any of the private schools, including Gilman. And there are Hopkins parents at literally every private in Baltimore including Mcdonogh.

Literally 80% of my kid’s Gilman friend group can be described this way (with plenty of overlap between “immigrants” and “Hopkins” although not 100%). I consider it a plus. He’s learning way more about other cultures than I would’ve expected. If I had to guess I’d say that about 40% of Gilman families are old money country club with the remaining split evenly between immigrants and non-immigrants. The country-club crowd doesn’t socialize too much with the rest of us, but that’s fine, they’re nice and friendly, just in a different groove. The immigrant families have been warm and welcoming to us and we have enjoyed getting to know some awesome families from all over the world.

Lol some people send their kids to private schools for better peers and networking opportunities for their kids. It’s funny that the rich people segregate themselves from the poorer “working class” families.

It's funny that you would assume the immigrants are the poorer of the two. Not necessarily true.

DP. My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools.

I live in Baltimore, smack dab in the heart of private school territory. 1.1-1.2M is a good price for an updated home in a nice area. Sure, it goes up from there but it also goes down from there for a nice house. Baltimore is not an expensive market. It's not DC. I'm not going to engage in the battle of redfin/zillow links but your post was both clueless and tone deaf.

Old money Baltimore certainly exists but is also not as wealthy as you might think. Unless you consider real estate families like the Cordishes and Manekins old money, I don't know, perhaps you do. But for every Griswold still around (most have long bailed out for more exciting places) you have multiples of your typical couple generations of UMC wealth with a few mill in the bank and a few gen at the local privates, and plenty of self made people, and that includes most of the Legg Mason / T Rowe Price leadership who look suitably waspy but didn't come from established wealth. Baltimore isn't a major money town, there's no comparable level of wealth that you find in Dallas or Houston or Austin or Miami or any of the other boom cities of the last few decades, it's a steadily declining, long past its prime, midsize city with no real home industry outside - you got it - medicine and JHU.

The PP nailed it. I don't think the "DP. My kid goes to Gilman..." is even a parent or real, live, adult living in Baltimore. The more I read DCUM, the more I think there are bots or 13 year olds posting. Maybe just a REALLY bored Baltimore private school kid looking to stir the pot by relying on dated information from the Preppy Handbook.

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Anonymous wrote:One is co-ed, one is all-girls

One is way out in the suburbs, one is in Baltimore City

One has a reputation for well-rounded kids with an emphasis on sports, one has a reputation for being an academic pressure cooker

One seems popular with long-time Baltimore families and is a bit more conservative, one is laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high-achieving immigrants

It's a little surprising you need all of these differences laid out for you. How did you pick these 2 schools? Have you set foot on either campus?

Other than geographical locations, literally nothing in this quote is accurate.

Huh? Not the person you’re replying to but.. all looks 100% accurate to me. My kid is in a different Baltimore independent school, but everyone knows this stuff about both McDonogh and BMS. Which of these assertions do you dispute?

Well, for one, there is of course well rounded kids at both schools. Bryn Mawr doesn’t recruit athletes but most girls participate in sports and some are quite competitive in the IAAM. Bryn Mawr isn’t an academic pressure cooker. Mcdonogh is not more popular with long time Baltimore families. Bryn Mawr is not “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants.” Doesn’t leave much.

Source: had one daughter and several other family members recently attend Bryn Mawr, son is at Gilman, and know lots of kids at all the other Baltimore private schools including Mcdonogh. I also have one child who applied and was accepted to Mcdonogh but chose not to attend.

Oh, come on. Sure, plenty of Bryn Mawr girls play sports. But McDonogh is sportier. Of course what makes an “academic pressure cooker” is subjective, but Bryn Mawr is a heck of a lot closer than McD. I do agree with you that for real old Baltimore money the pipeline is Calvert > Gilman/Bryn Mawr. But for County money, McDonogh is certainly a popular choice.

Do you think that Gilman is “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants”? I do, and we are a Gilman family. But again, I guess “laden” is subjective.

Anyway, I think PP’s post is basically sound information, albeit obvious stuff.

High achieving immigrants? I think there are very few at any of the private schools, including Gilman. And there are Hopkins parents at literally every private in Baltimore including Mcdonogh.

Literally 80% of my kid’s Gilman friend group can be described this way (with plenty of overlap between “immigrants” and “Hopkins” although not 100%). I consider it a plus. He’s learning way more about other cultures than I would’ve expected. If I had to guess I’d say that about 40% of Gilman families are old money country club with the remaining split evenly between immigrants and non-immigrants. The country-club crowd doesn’t socialize too much with the rest of us, but that’s fine, they’re nice and friendly, just in a different groove. The immigrant families have been warm and welcoming to us and we have enjoyed getting to know some awesome families from all over the world.

Lol some people send their kids to private schools for better peers and networking opportunities for their kids. It’s funny that the rich people segregate themselves from the poorer “working class” families.

It's funny that you would assume the immigrants are the poorer of the two. Not necessarily true.

DP. My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools.

I live in Baltimore, smack dab in the heart of private school territory. 1.1-1.2M is a good price for an updated home in a nice area. Sure, it goes up from there but it also goes down from there for a nice house. Baltimore is not an expensive market. It's not DC. I'm not going to engage in the battle of redfin/zillow links but your post was both clueless and tone deaf.

Old money Baltimore certainly exists but is also not as wealthy as you might think. Unless you consider real estate families like the Cordishes and Manekins old money, I don't know, perhaps you do. But for every Griswold still around (most have long bailed out for more exciting places) you have multiples of your typical couple generations of UMC wealth with a few mill in the bank and a few gen at the local privates, and plenty of self made people, and that includes most of the Legg Mason / T Rowe Price leadership who look suitably waspy but didn't come from established wealth. Baltimore isn't a major money town, there's no comparable level of wealth that you find in Dallas or Houston or Austin or Miami or any of the other boom cities of the last few decades, it's a steadily declining, long past its prime, midsize city with no real home industry outside - you got it - medicine and JHU.

DP, but this seems off as well. Legg Mason and TRowe aren’t the centers of the finance world in Baltimore and haven’t been for a decade. It’s Brown advisory and a dozen other offshots. There is Sinclair money and Plank and associated UA money. On the real estate side, there is the Cordish family, and the St. John, Buzzotos, and the Paterkis families. Mayo Shattuck and the other top Constellation people do pretty well. There are Hopkins researchers and doctors whose names you might not recognize who made a Killing on a biotech companh For better or worse, we have the Angelos who seem to be increasing their wealth by bleeding the Orioles dry.

What the first poster was referring to, perhaps not fully aware of what was going in, is young families living in big old mansions in Greenspring or Ruxton because real estate is often passed on by the old money families, instead of sold. Seems to be a much more common practice in Baltimore than other cities.

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Anonymous wrote:One is co-ed, one is all-girls

One is way out in the suburbs, one is in Baltimore City

One has a reputation for well-rounded kids with an emphasis on sports, one has a reputation for being an academic pressure cooker

One seems popular with long-time Baltimore families and is a bit more conservative, one is laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high-achieving immigrants

It's a little surprising you need all of these differences laid out for you. How did you pick these 2 schools? Have you set foot on either campus?

Other than geographical locations, literally nothing in this quote is accurate.

Huh? Not the person you’re replying to but.. all looks 100% accurate to me. My kid is in a different Baltimore independent school, but everyone knows this stuff about both McDonogh and BMS. Which of these assertions do you dispute?

Well, for one, there is of course well rounded kids at both schools. Bryn Mawr doesn’t recruit athletes but most girls participate in sports and some are quite competitive in the IAAM. Bryn Mawr isn’t an academic pressure cooker. Mcdonogh is not more popular with long time Baltimore families. Bryn Mawr is not “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants.” Doesn’t leave much.

Source: had one daughter and several other family members recently attend Bryn Mawr, son is at Gilman, and know lots of kids at all the other Baltimore private schools including Mcdonogh. I also have one child who applied and was accepted to Mcdonogh but chose not to attend.

Oh, come on. Sure, plenty of Bryn Mawr girls play sports. But McDonogh is sportier. Of course what makes an “academic pressure cooker” is subjective, but Bryn Mawr is a heck of a lot closer than McD. I do agree with you that for real old Baltimore money the pipeline is Calvert > Gilman/Bryn Mawr. But for County money, McDonogh is certainly a popular choice.

Do you think that Gilman is “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants”? I do, and we are a Gilman family. But again, I guess “laden” is subjective.

Anyway, I think PP’s post is basically sound information, albeit obvious stuff.

High achieving immigrants? I think there are very few at any of the private schools, including Gilman. And there are Hopkins parents at literally every private in Baltimore including Mcdonogh.

Literally 80% of my kid’s Gilman friend group can be described this way (with plenty of overlap between “immigrants” and “Hopkins” although not 100%). I consider it a plus. He’s learning way more about other cultures than I would’ve expected. If I had to guess I’d say that about 40% of Gilman families are old money country club with the remaining split evenly between immigrants and non-immigrants. The country-club crowd doesn’t socialize too much with the rest of us, but that’s fine, they’re nice and friendly, just in a different groove. The immigrant families have been warm and welcoming to us and we have enjoyed getting to know some awesome families from all over the world.

Lol some people send their kids to private schools for better peers and networking opportunities for their kids. It’s funny that the rich people segregate themselves from the poorer “working class” families.

It's funny that you would assume the immigrants are the poorer of the two. Not necessarily true.

DP. My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools.

I live in Baltimore, smack dab in the heart of private school territory. 1.1-1.2M is a good price for an updated home in a nice area. Sure, it goes up from there but it also goes down from there for a nice house. Baltimore is not an expensive market. It's not DC. I'm not going to engage in the battle of redfin/zillow links but your post was both clueless and tone deaf.

Old money Baltimore certainly exists but is also not as wealthy as you might think. Unless you consider real estate families like the Cordishes and Manekins old money, I don't know, perhaps you do. But for every Griswold still around (most have long bailed out for more exciting places) you have multiples of your typical couple generations of UMC wealth with a few mill in the bank and a few gen at the local privates, and plenty of self made people, and that includes most of the Legg Mason / T Rowe Price leadership who look suitably waspy but didn't come from established wealth. Baltimore isn't a major money town, there's no comparable level of wealth that you find in Dallas or Houston or Austin or Miami or any of the other boom cities of the last few decades, it's a steadily declining, long past its prime, midsize city with no real home industry outside - you got it - medicine and JHU.

DP, but this seems off as well. Legg Mason and TRowe aren’t the centers of the finance world in Baltimore and haven’t been for a decade. It’s Brown advisory and a dozen other offshots. There is Sinclair money and Plank and associated UA money. On the real estate side, there is the Cordish family, and the St. John, Buzzotos, and the Paterkis families. Mayo Shattuck and the other top Constellation people do pretty well. There are Hopkins researchers and doctors whose names you might not recognize who made a Killing on a biotech companh For better or worse, we have the Angelos who seem to be increasing their wealth by bleeding the Orioles dry.

What the first poster was referring to, perhaps not fully aware of what was going in, is young families living in big old mansions in Greenspring or Ruxton because real estate is often passed on by the old money families, instead of sold. Seems to be a much more common practice in Baltimore than other cities.

Kevin Plank is self made, as are all the UA people. Sinclair are the sons of the founder. Ditto with Pateriakis and the Buzzotos. None of them are old money Baltimore, none are in the visiting book that still exists and all claptrap that goes with "old money." Sure, there's some wealth and it's mostly self made wealth these days. Old money has a nasty habit of dying out and fading away. Preciously few are handing down a house to the next gen. Kids get demotivated and move to Colorado to be ski instructors living off rapidly dwindling trust funds.

Baltimore as a whole is not a rich city or a rich region, which doesn't preclude it from having its wealthy families and a billionaire or two and the remnants of the old money gentry who can trace themselves to Mount Vernon brownstones. But go to a place like Atlanta, and now there's real money. And that's just Atlanta! And to make it relevant to this thread, it has no real bearing on the privates. Plank doesn't even send his kids to BMS/Gilman but another private. A lot of the Paterakis went to public, a few went to BL.

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There's a bunch of younger generation Paterakis' that are McDonogh alum.

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Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Every thread on this site turns into a pissing match about who has more/ knows people that have more.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:One is co-ed, one is all-girls

One is way out in the suburbs, one is in Baltimore City

One has a reputation for well-rounded kids with an emphasis on sports, one has a reputation for being an academic pressure cooker

One seems popular with long-time Baltimore families and is a bit more conservative, one is laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high-achieving immigrants

It's a little surprising you need all of these differences laid out for you. How did you pick these 2 schools? Have you set foot on either campus?

Other than geographical locations, literally nothing in this quote is accurate.

Huh? Not the person you’re replying to but.. all looks 100% accurate to me. My kid is in a different Baltimore independent school, but everyone knows this stuff about both McDonogh and BMS. Which of these assertions do you dispute?

Well, for one, there is of course well rounded kids at both schools. Bryn Mawr doesn’t recruit athletes but most girls participate in sports and some are quite competitive in the IAAM. Bryn Mawr isn’t an academic pressure cooker. Mcdonogh is not more popular with long time Baltimore families. Bryn Mawr is not “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants.” Doesn’t leave much.

Source: had one daughter and several other family members recently attend Bryn Mawr, son is at Gilman, and know lots of kids at all the other Baltimore private schools including Mcdonogh. I also have one child who applied and was accepted to Mcdonogh but chose not to attend.

Oh, come on. Sure, plenty of Bryn Mawr girls play sports. But McDonogh is sportier. Of course what makes an “academic pressure cooker” is subjective, but Bryn Mawr is a heck of a lot closer than McD. I do agree with you that for real old Baltimore money the pipeline is Calvert > Gilman/Bryn Mawr. But for County money, McDonogh is certainly a popular choice.

Do you think that Gilman is “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants”? I do, and we are a Gilman family. But again, I guess “laden” is subjective.

Anyway, I think PP’s post is basically sound information, albeit obvious stuff.

High achieving immigrants? I think there are very few at any of the private schools, including Gilman. And there are Hopkins parents at literally every private in Baltimore including Mcdonogh.

Literally 80% of my kid’s Gilman friend group can be described this way (with plenty of overlap between “immigrants” and “Hopkins” although not 100%). I consider it a plus. He’s learning way more about other cultures than I would’ve expected. If I had to guess I’d say that about 40% of Gilman families are old money country club with the remaining split evenly between immigrants and non-immigrants. The country-club crowd doesn’t socialize too much with the rest of us, but that’s fine, they’re nice and friendly, just in a different groove. The immigrant families have been warm and welcoming to us and we have enjoyed getting to know some awesome families from all over the world.

Lol some people send their kids to private schools for better peers and networking opportunities for their kids. It’s funny that the rich people segregate themselves from the poorer “working class” families.

It's funny that you would assume the immigrants are the poorer of the two. Not necessarily true.

DP. My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools.

I live in Baltimore, smack dab in the heart of private school territory. 1.1-1.2M is a good price for an updated home in a nice area. Sure, it goes up from there but it also goes down from there for a nice house. Baltimore is not an expensive market. It's not DC. I'm not going to engage in the battle of redfin/zillow links but your post was both clueless and tone deaf.

Old money Baltimore certainly exists but is also not as wealthy as you might think. Unless you consider real estate families like the Cordishes and Manekins old money, I don't know, perhaps you do. But for every Griswold still around (most have long bailed out for more exciting places) you have multiples of your typical couple generations of UMC wealth with a few mill in the bank and a few gen at the local privates, and plenty of self made people, and that includes most of the Legg Mason / T Rowe Price leadership who look suitably waspy but didn't come from established wealth. Baltimore isn't a major money town, there's no comparable level of wealth that you find in Dallas or Houston or Austin or Miami or any of the other boom cities of the last few decades, it's a steadily declining, long past its prime, midsize city with no real home industry outside - you got it - medicine and JHU.

DP, but this seems off as well. Legg Mason and TRowe aren’t the centers of the finance world in Baltimore and haven’t been for a decade. It’s Brown advisory and a dozen other offshots. There is Sinclair money and Plank and associated UA money. On the real estate side, there is the Cordish family, and the St. John, Buzzotos, and the Paterkis families. Mayo Shattuck and the other top Constellation people do pretty well. There are Hopkins researchers and doctors whose names you might not recognize who made a Killing on a biotech companh For better or worse, we have the Angelos who seem to be increasing their wealth by bleeding the Orioles dry.

What the first poster was referring to, perhaps not fully aware of what was going in, is young families living in big old mansions in Greenspring or Ruxton because real estate is often passed on by the old money families, instead of sold. Seems to be a much more common practice in Baltimore than other cities.

Kevin Plank is self made, as are all the UA people. Sinclair are the sons of the founder. Ditto with Pateriakis and the Buzzotos. None of them are old money Baltimore, none are in the visiting book that still exists and all claptrap that goes with "old money." Sure, there's some wealth and it's mostly self made wealth these days. Old money has a nasty habit of dying out and fading away. Preciously few are handing down a house to the next gen. Kids get demotivated and move to Colorado to be ski instructors living off rapidly dwindling trust funds.

Baltimore as a whole is not a rich city or a rich region, which doesn't preclude it from having its wealthy families and a billionaire or two and the remnants of the old money gentry who can trace themselves to Mount Vernon brownstones. But go to a place like Atlanta, and now there's real money. And that's just Atlanta! And to make it relevant to this thread, it has no real bearing on the privates. Plank doesn't even send his kids to BMS/Gilman but another private. A lot of the Paterakis went to public, a few went to BL.

What a strange response, my point was there is far more money in Baltimore than your response suggested. I never said any of those families were old money which you are strangely obsessed with and triggered by.

Baltimore is a mid size city, of course it does not have as much wealth as much bigger cities like Atlanta or Dallas or Houston.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

Gilman has by far the biggest endowment, next is Mcdonogh and then the rest of the pack.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

Gilman has by far the biggest endowment, next is Mcdonogh and then the rest of the pack.

All girls schools have lower endowments so those are out!

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Anonymous wrote:There's a bunch of younger generation Paterakis' that are McDonogh alum.

Also Boys Latin.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

Gilman has by far the biggest endowment, next is Mcdonogh and then the rest of the pack.

That's not the case anymore, they basically are same as of their most recent financials. Mcdonogh also has a for profit real estate entity with 100s or acres of land for commercial development/ already developed space that has been leased. It doesn't show as an asset until they distribute profits back to the school. Not that either school is ever going to hurt for money.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

Gilman has by far the biggest endowment, next is Mcdonogh and then the rest of the pack.

That's not the case anymore, they basically are same as of their most recent financials. Mcdonogh also has a for profit real estate entity with 100s or acres of land for commercial development/ already developed space that has been leased. It doesn't show as an asset until they distribute profits back to the school. Not that either school is ever going to hurt for money.

I don’t believe this. The difference is significant and Mcdonogh has tons of debt from recent construction. The size of their endowment actually decreased.

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rat’s behind where old money or new money send their kids to school? It seems like there are far more substantive criteria by which to evaluate a school?

Families with money = donations. I don't care if the money is old or new, but I do care about endowments. Philanthropy fuels the schools' ability to hire, build, and provide educational options. I definitely compared endowments before we chose a school for our kids.

Gilman has by far the biggest endowment, next is Mcdonogh and then the rest of the pack.

That's not the case anymore, they basically are same as of their most recent financials. Mcdonogh also has a for profit real estate entity with 100s or acres of land for commercial development/ already developed space that has been leased. It doesn't show as an asset until they distribute profits back to the school. Not that either school is ever going to hurt for money.

So you know google is a thing? Most recent 990s show Gilman with an endowment of $176 million and Mcdonogh with an endowment of $96 million. So not only are they not “basically the same,”. Gilman’s endowment is nearly twice as large.

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Anonymous wrote:One is co-ed, one is all-girls

One is way out in the suburbs, one is in Baltimore City

One has a reputation for well-rounded kids with an emphasis on sports, one has a reputation for being an academic pressure cooker

One seems popular with long-time Baltimore families and is a bit more conservative, one is laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high-achieving immigrants

It's a little surprising you need all of these differences laid out for you. How did you pick these 2 schools? Have you set foot on either campus?

Other than geographical locations, literally nothing in this quote is accurate.

Huh? Not the person you’re replying to but.. all looks 100% accurate to me. My kid is in a different Baltimore independent school, but everyone knows this stuff about both McDonogh and BMS. Which of these assertions do you dispute?

Well, for one, there is of course well rounded kids at both schools. Bryn Mawr doesn’t recruit athletes but most girls participate in sports and some are quite competitive in the IAAM. Bryn Mawr isn’t an academic pressure cooker. Mcdonogh is not more popular with long time Baltimore families. Bryn Mawr is not “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants.” Doesn’t leave much.

Source: had one daughter and several other family members recently attend Bryn Mawr, son is at Gilman, and know lots of kids at all the other Baltimore private schools including Mcdonogh. I also have one child who applied and was accepted to Mcdonogh but chose not to attend.

Oh, come on. Sure, plenty of Bryn Mawr girls play sports. But McDonogh is sportier. Of course what makes an “academic pressure cooker” is subjective, but Bryn Mawr is a heck of a lot closer than McD. I do agree with you that for real old Baltimore money the pipeline is Calvert > Gilman/Bryn Mawr. But for County money, McDonogh is certainly a popular choice.

Do you think that Gilman is “laden with kids of Hopkins professors and high achieving immigrants”? I do, and we are a Gilman family. But again, I guess “laden” is subjective.

Anyway, I think PP’s post is basically sound information, albeit obvious stuff.

High achieving immigrants? I think there are very few at any of the private schools, including Gilman. And there are Hopkins parents at literally every private in Baltimore including Mcdonogh.

Literally 80% of my kid’s Gilman friend group can be described this way (with plenty of overlap between “immigrants” and “Hopkins” although not 100%). I consider it a plus. He’s learning way more about other cultures than I would’ve expected. If I had to guess I’d say that about 40% of Gilman families are old money country club with the remaining split evenly between immigrants and non-immigrants. The country-club crowd doesn’t socialize too much with the rest of us, but that’s fine, they’re nice and friendly, just in a different groove. The immigrant families have been warm and welcoming to us and we have enjoyed getting to know some awesome families from all over the world.

Lol some people send their kids to private schools for better peers and networking opportunities for their kids. It’s funny that the rich people segregate themselves from the poorer “working class” families.

It's funny that you would assume the immigrants are the poorer of the two. Not necessarily true.

DP. My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools.

I live in Baltimore, smack dab in the heart of private school territory. 1.1-1.2M is a good price for an updated home in a nice area. Sure, it goes up from there but it also goes down from there for a nice house. Baltimore is not an expensive market. It's not DC. I'm not going to engage in the battle of redfin/zillow links but your post was both clueless and tone deaf.

Old money Baltimore certainly exists but is also not as wealthy as you might think. Unless you consider real estate families like the Cordishes and Manekins old money, I don't know, perhaps you do. But for every Griswold still around (most have long bailed out for more exciting places) you have multiples of your typical couple generations of UMC wealth with a few mill in the bank and a few gen at the local privates, and plenty of self made people, and that includes most of the Legg Mason / T Rowe Price leadership who look suitably waspy but didn't come from established wealth. Baltimore isn't a major money town, there's no comparable level of wealth that you find in Dallas or Houston or Austin or Miami or any of the other boom cities of the last few decades, it's a steadily declining, long past its prime, midsize city with no real home industry outside - you got it - medicine and JHU.

DP, but this seems off as well. Legg Mason and TRowe aren’t the centers of the finance world in Baltimore and haven’t been for a decade. It’s Brown advisory and a dozen other offshots. There is Sinclair money and Plank and associated UA money. On the real estate side, there is the Cordish family, and the St. John, Buzzotos, and the Paterkis families. Mayo Shattuck and the other top Constellation people do pretty well. There are Hopkins researchers and doctors whose names you might not recognize who made a Killing on a biotech companh For better or worse, we have the Angelos who seem to be increasing their wealth by bleeding the Orioles dry.

What the first poster was referring to, perhaps not fully aware of what was going in, is young families living in big old mansions in Greenspring or Ruxton because real estate is often passed on by the old money families, instead of sold. Seems to be a much more common practice in Baltimore than other cities.

Kevin Plank is self made, as are all the UA people. Sinclair are the sons of the founder. Ditto with Pateriakis and the Buzzotos. None of them are old money Baltimore, none are in the visiting book that still exists and all claptrap that goes with "old money." Sure, there's some wealth and it's mostly self made wealth these days. Old money has a nasty habit of dying out and fading away. Preciously few are handing down a house to the next gen. Kids get demotivated and move to Colorado to be ski instructors living off rapidly dwindling trust funds.

Baltimore as a whole is not a rich city or a rich region, which doesn't preclude it from having its wealthy families and a billionaire or two and the remnants of the old money gentry who can trace themselves to Mount Vernon brownstones. But go to a place like Atlanta, and now there's real money. And that's just Atlanta! And to make it relevant to this thread, it has no real bearing on the privates. Plank doesn't even send his kids to BMS/Gilman but another private. A lot of the Paterakis went to public, a few went to BL.

What a strange response, my point was there is far more money in Baltimore than your response suggested. I never said any of those families were old money which you are strangely obsessed with and triggered by.

Baltimore is a mid size city, of course it does not have as much wealth as much bigger cities like Atlanta or Dallas or Houston.

Are you the poster who posted "My kid goes to Gilman and the regular families, immigrants and non immigrants, are definitely poorer than the old money “lived in Baltimore for generations” people. The latter has serious generational wealth and multi million dollar homes/land. The other families are all dual income, often live in old, non-renovated, mediocre homes (around 1-1.2m) and stretch a lot to send their kids to these schools." And is now trying to back out of it?