Bias towards elderly who will not go quietly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one employee that is age 70 and working full time.

My parents, at 70, were running a business full-time and traveling the world. Sold the business when they were 78 and now are in their 80s happily traveling between their full-time home, their second home, and their kids' homes as well as taking other trips for reunions or to visit friends. Are they going quietly into the night? Ha. They're more active than many 65 year olds. They're kicking a$$ and taking names, and we fully support it.

That's great for them. They are clearly healthy. My mother had died of cancer by that age.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

I would, and I couldn’t care less if some meaningless internet stranger thinks I’m “shitty.” Shrug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

You are a ghoul.

No, I'm a pragmatist. I get that you love your parents; I love mine. But if care has to be rationed, and my 81 year old father is up against it with someone less than half his age, I couldn't in good conscience make an argument for my father to get the care. And frankly, my father would agree. After all, he's the one who raised me and inculcated my values.

Care doesn’t “have to be rationed” in the U.S. Donated organs do, yes, but that was a random non sequitur someone threw in pages back that isn’t relevant to the discussion. Your childlike thinking of “I sacrifice my dad so a 20-year-old can live” is not reality. For some reason, you feel the need to keep repeating it as if it means anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have one employee that is age 70 and working full time.

I have several relatives in their 70s still working full time. One runs his own company (actively and working steadily every day) at 76.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one employee that is age 70 and working full time.

I have several relatives in their 70s still working full time. One runs his own company (actively and working steadily every day) at 76.

That's terrific. Glad to know they have the energy and money to look after their 99 year old parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

You are a ghoul.

No, I'm a pragmatist. I get that you love your parents; I love mine. But if care has to be rationed, and my 81 year old father is up against it with someone less than half his age, I couldn't in good conscience make an argument for my father to get the care. And frankly, my father would agree. After all, he's the one who raised me and inculcated my values.

Care doesn’t “have to be rationed” in the U.S. Donated organs do, yes, but that was a random non sequitur someone threw in pages back that isn’t relevant to the discussion. Your childlike thinking of “I sacrifice my dad so a 20-year-old can live” is not reality. For some reason, you feel the need to keep repeating it as if it means anything.

Lol there are literal medical school classes about rationing healthcare. Because it's happening whether you want to admit it or not - healthcare is a relatively scarce resource. For example, insurance coverage? That is determined by how we ration healthcare.

I know this because I TAed one. At a top 5 med school.

[Anonymous]

Not a doctor, but I don’t think we should be doing “everything” to keep people just hanging on by a bare thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think everyone over 80 should have a DNR. Possibly even earlier.
I mean I get it, my dad wants to live to 100, but I don’t want to be stuck caring for him at 70, no thank you! And any old person needs a certain amount of care and oversight.
Also I’d rather go through the pain of losing him at 55 than 70 tbh.

I agree with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

NP. There’s something wrong with you if you’d prioritize the life of a 96 year old person (regardless of whether they’re your parent) over the life of a 35 year old parent. Truly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

I would, and I couldn’t care less if some meaningless internet stranger thinks I’m “shitty.” Shrug.

NP. You’re a terrible person and a complete loser. Very doubtful you have any children and have matured past the stage of life where you cling on to mommy and daddy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one employee that is age 70 and working full time.

I have several relatives in their 70s still working full time. One runs his own company (actively and working steadily every day) at 76.

That's terrific. Glad to know they have the energy and money to look after their 99 year old parents.

Their parents are dead. Your attempt at being pithy and clever failed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

NP. There’s something wrong with you if you’d prioritize the life of a 96 year old person (regardless of whether they’re your parent) over the life of a 35 year old parent. Truly.

I don’t give a single, solitary damn if some random nobody on the internet “thinks there’s something wrong with me.” You vastly overestimate your own importance. Oh, and I’m a DCUM Mom, so my parents aren’t anywhere near “96,” but don’t let the facts get in the way of you being a judgmental shrew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

I would, and I couldn’t care less if some meaningless internet stranger thinks I’m “shitty.” Shrug.

NP. You’re a terrible person and a complete loser. Very doubtful you have any children and have matured past the stage of life where you cling on to mommy and daddy.

I have multiple children. I post here regularly. Ask Jeff — or, you know, get a life.

It’s precious how you think calling me “a terrible person and a complete loser” matters in the slightest. Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think in an ideal world doctors could give their all to everyone. The reality is they are understaffed, very overworked and many are burned out. Since they are not superhuman, would you rather a doctor give more attention to a mother or father with children at home, one of whom may have special needs or medical issues or emotional struggles or put all their energy into giving your elderly parent a few more months?

DP, but obviously my parents are more important to me than some random stranger’s kids. Let’s not start moving eugenics-ward, shall we?

Sure, but you’re kind of shitty if you’d rather your elderly parents have 3 more years of life than a 20 year old have another 50-60.

I would, and I couldn’t care less if some meaningless internet stranger thinks I’m “shitty.” Shrug.

NP. You’re a terrible person and a complete loser. Very doubtful you have any children and have matured past the stage of life where you cling on to mommy and daddy.

I have multiple children. I post here regularly. Ask Jeff — or, you know, get a life.

It’s precious how you think calling me “a terrible person and a complete loser” matters in the slightest. Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

You are coming off as quite disgusting in this thread, anyway. Sorry for your parents and your kids.

[Anonymous]

I'm a nurse. There is a lack of understanding of what recovery from major surgery can look like for the elderly. It's complicated by the fact that it can be unpredictable who will do well and who will have complications.

I'm not sure that lack of understanding can be remedied because people prefer optimistic innocence.