Companies are on the war path against remote work

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Anonymous wrote:If I’m going to RTO, I refuse to do anything after hours from home, either. If I’m not allowed to WFH, that means I’m not required to.

Does this apply only if you are required to go in five days a week? What if it is 2? or3?

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On any of the days I’m required to go in. It’s basic logic. If WFH is bad, then it’s bad & I shouldn’t do it.

If your employer is allowing you to do both WFH and work onsite, how are they saying either is bad?

So if you go into the office on a Monday, you shut it down completely after 8 hours, but if you WFH on Tuesday you'll put in some extra hours in the evening? Just trying to see how this plays out in practice....

Correct.

And if I’m RTO 5 days a week, I won’t put in any extra hours whatsoever.

Got it. Sounds like a reasonable plan.

Yep. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten "that call" - 9 pm on a Friday. No more.

[Anonymous]

I personally would give anything to have meetings without screaming children and dogs barking in the background. The obvious mid morning breaks by some of my colleagues are clearly personal issues being handled (think kids doctors appt) are really starting to affect my productivity.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

And lower stock prices, lower standard of living, and poorer retirement. You’ll end up a French pensioner on the streets squabbling about 2 more years of a poor retirement, sitting on a couch, watching Netflix, eating chips, and getting morbidly obese.

Nah. Those are the scare tactics business owners like you have tried to push on workers for far too long. Millennials and GenZ are just not dumb enough to keep drinking the kool aid.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

So be a stooge for the man. Have fun at that.

[Anonymous]

It’s an impossible dilemma. Many workers are highly productive in the work from home model, and it has been a major upgrade to their lives. They will strongly resist RTO policies. Many other workers abuse work from home policies to slack off, and the only way to get any reasonable productivity out of them is to mandate RTO. Human nature being what it is, you can’t let some people work from home and tell others they can’t without creating major problems. And it’s very difficult to integrate new, especially junior employees when all the good people are working from home. We’re just going to muddle along in a hybrid approach indefinitely, there is no way out IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

So be a stooge for the man. Have fun at that.

+1. I don't understand these people posting on DCUM mid-day complaining about others' productivity and whining about people not being in the office.

[Anonymous]

The discussion of "sham jobs" is relevant to the point I was trying to make upthread.

It is likely true that a portion of jobs in this country are not necessary for directly producing goods and services. But producing goods and services is not all that matters. Our big complex economy requires a way to put money in the pockets of people, so they can turn around a spend that money in the economy. This is why the central bank of the united states has a mission of combating unemployment.

Similarly, the productivity of employees is not all that matters for overall profitability and viability of corporations, and not all that factors into their work locations policies. The profitability and viability of corporations is a part of our big complex economy.

It is just not nearly as simply as a discussion about how productive/useful any individual employee is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

Um, you are aware that Hollywood writers are striking right now, right? They're hardly a bunch of 18 year olds. I hope you enjoy reality TV shows because if the studios don't come to the table soon, that's all you'll be watching for a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally would give anything to have meetings without screaming children and dogs barking in the background. The obvious mid morning breaks by some of my colleagues are clearly personal issues being handled (think kids doctors appt) are really starting to affect my productivity.

…do you think your coworkers kids will stop having doctor’s appointments because they’ve changed their work location? They’ll just take half days for them instead of two hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I personally would give anything to have meetings without screaming children and dogs barking in the background. The obvious mid morning breaks by some of my colleagues are clearly personal issues being handled (think kids doctors appt) are really starting to affect my productivity.

…do you think your coworkers kids will stop having doctor’s appointments because they’ve changed their work location? They’ll just take half days for them instead of two hours.

DP. Ha! You mean they’ll actually be forced to record time? That’s a good thing. As PP said, currently workers are taking these breaks but not reporting what they’re actually doing. They are gaming the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

So be a stooge for the man. Have fun at that.

+1. I don't understand these people posting on DCUM mid-day complaining about others' productivity and whining about people not being in the office.

Look in the mirror! All you supposedly productive WFH types are some of the most prolific posters. I’m a retired grandmother and can post all day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

So be a stooge for the man. Have fun at that.

+1. I don't understand these people posting on DCUM mid-day complaining about others' productivity and whining about people not being in the office.

Look in the mirror! All you supposedly productive WFH types are some of the most prolific posters. I’m a retired grandmother and can post all day.

What are you doing on a jobs forum, MeeMaw?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cities threatening to get rid of tax breaks for companies if they don’t RTO, because apparently small businesses are suffering, downtowns are becoming ghost towns, CRE values are plummeting & public transportation is being crime-filled due to normies no longer taking it.

Honestly, I am sick and tired if the FT WFH evangelists acting like these are not valid concerns. They are. Acting as if they are not is making the RTO worse. If you’re unwilling to meet halfway with hybrid, they’ll just make everyone come in all the time. The war path is over. People go back now.

Lots of people making $250k+ & WFH have the assets to retire or part-time freelance and would rather do that than RTO.

That would be good. We need spaces for young people in the workforce. Too many old people sticking in unwilling to retire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

Um, you are aware that Hollywood writers are striking right now, right? They're hardly a bunch of 18 year olds. I hope you enjoy reality TV shows because if the studios don't come to the table soon, that's all you'll be watching for a bit.

Most people on DCUM are too busy posting on DCUM to be watching scripted tv anyway, so I don't think there will be a big loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to strike

This. And maybe it’s time that office workers wholly embrace unions? Especially FLSA exempt workers.

Okay, go ahead and strike. How are you going to put food on the table? It's a lovely little idea for an 18 year old but I have a family, mortgage, life expenses, I NEED to have my job. GTFU.

Um, you are aware that Hollywood writers are striking right now, right? They're hardly a bunch of 18 year olds. I hope you enjoy reality TV shows because if the studios don't come to the table soon, that's all you'll be watching for a bit.

Most people on DCUM are too busy posting on DCUM to be watching scripted tv anyway, so I don't think there will be a big loss.

+1. Who needs to watch tv when all of life's craziness and drama is right here on this board??