Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

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Anonymous wrote:They should take a look at regular AP History as well.
Stanley Kurtz wrote about how they politicized it with leftwing propaganda. He suggested creating an alternative standard curriculum to challenge College Board.

Truth has a liberal bias. Conservatism is based on myths.

That PP is not the only one who is unhappy with the current APUSH. Are you familiar with it?

What upsets you about APUSH? Be specific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So how is this intended to work?

Students can use this class to satisfy some college diversity requirement? Are colleges on board with this?

Create a two track African-American Studies environment? There is major "yikes" potential for the optics here.

Replace existing African-American Studies courses? What happens to the students who can't handle an AP workload? Major "yikes" potential again.

Other than the CB, who benefits from this?

Do you know what AP courses are? They are high school courses designed to prepare students to pass the College Board Advanced Placement tests. Completing the course and scoring well on the test earns college credit for the intro level course. This is not a new thing. AP AA studies would work the same as other AP courses. It is common that a lot of students who take AP courses do not earn the AP credit but they still win because they have the benefit of taking a college-level class in HS and are better prepared for college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

The state is not raising standards here. It is raising bigotry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

The state is not raising standards here. It is raising bigotry.

Says the woke fundamentalist, not the actual facts here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

It's an AP class. Do you really think there are no classes taught in the entire state of Florida with less rigor that AP African-American Studies would be taught?

[Anonymous]

Governors in the US have very limited powers. Populist demagogues like DeSantis compensate for their impotence by exploiting the office’s political patronage opportunities and playing to culture war imaginary grievances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

The state is not raising standards here. It is raising bigotry.

Says the woke fundamentalist, not the actual facts here.

The Governor doesn’t want Florida schools to teach African American Studies. That is all that is going on here. He picked this one course because he is a bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

It's an AP class. Do you really think there are no classes taught in the entire state of Florida with less rigor that AP African-American Studies would be taught?

If you know of a class with less rigor, report it.

This one did sound as a joke, including all the woke terms like queer intersectionality and other bs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

The state is not raising standards here. It is raising bigotry.

Says the woke fundamentalist, not the actual facts here.

The Governor doesn’t want Florida schools to teach African American Studies. That is all that is going on here. He picked this one course because he is a bigot.

For someone with the brain development of a 3-year-old you type very well. Congrats! Ask your parents to give you a cookie!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

If the course lacked rigor that would be one thing, although it's doubtful to me that an AP course is going to be so lacking in rigor that it should be banned.

The worrying thing for me about this the class is framed as "contrary to Florida law." This seems most likely to be referring to the Stop WOKE Act. That act banned teaching a number of things, but looking at what's been posted of the curriculum I'd guess the big issue is the clauses prohibiting teaching that a "person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously" and that "members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex."

Without weighing in on how I feel about those statements, I have no issue with anyone agreeing with DeSantis that those statements are untrue. What bothers me that the state is interpreting the law in a way that makes it illegal to learn that some people DO think those statements are true. Reading something written by someone who thinks all white people are inherently oppressive is not at all equivalent to teaching that that belief is true. By the time a kid is taking an college level social studies course, they should be exposed to a wide variety of beliefs including ones that the government of Florida might disagree with. If the Florida government is interpreting the Stop WOKE Act in a way that bans teaching ABOUT ideas the government finds objectionable, I think that's a real problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

If the course lacked rigor that would be one thing, although it's doubtful to me that an AP course is going to be so lacking in rigor that it should be banned.

The worrying thing for me about this the class is framed as "contrary to Florida law." This seems most likely to be referring to the Stop WOKE Act. That act banned teaching a number of things, but looking at what's been posted of the curriculum I'd guess the big issue is the clauses prohibiting teaching that a "person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously" and that "members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex."

Without weighing in on how I feel about those statements, I have no issue with anyone agreeing with DeSantis that those statements are untrue. What bothers me that the state is interpreting the law in a way that makes it illegal to learn that some people DO think those statements are true. Reading something written by someone who thinks all white people are inherently oppressive is not at all equivalent to teaching that that belief is true. By the time a kid is taking an college level social studies course, they should be exposed to a wide variety of beliefs including ones that the government of Florida might disagree with. If the Florida government is interpreting the Stop WOKE Act in a way that bans teaching ABOUT ideas the government finds objectionable, I think that's a real problem.

It is good to be skeptic, and better to review the actual evidence.

In this case, there are many red flags about the course. But don't trust what I say, just look up the course details yourself and see what you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

If the course lacked rigor that would be one thing, although it's doubtful to me that an AP course is going to be so lacking in rigor that it should be banned.

The worrying thing for me about this the class is framed as "contrary to Florida law." This seems most likely to be referring to the Stop WOKE Act. That act banned teaching a number of things, but looking at what's been posted of the curriculum I'd guess the big issue is the clauses prohibiting teaching that a "person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously" and that "members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex."

Without weighing in on how I feel about those statements, I have no issue with anyone agreeing with DeSantis that those statements are untrue. What bothers me that the state is interpreting the law in a way that makes it illegal to learn that some people DO think those statements are true. Reading something written by someone who thinks all white people are inherently oppressive is not at all equivalent to teaching that that belief is true. By the time a kid is taking an college level social studies course, they should be exposed to a wide variety of beliefs including ones that the government of Florida might disagree with. If the Florida government is interpreting the Stop WOKE Act in a way that bans teaching ABOUT ideas the government finds objectionable, I think that's a real problem.

This. [phone].

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

The state is not raising standards here. It is raising bigotry.

Says the woke fundamentalist, not the actual facts here.

The Governor doesn’t want Florida schools to teach African American Studies. That is all that is going on here. He picked this one course because he is a bigot.

For someone with the brain development of a 3-year-old you type very well. Congrats! Ask your parents to give you a cookie!!!!

You are in a cult. Get help.

[Anonymous]

DeSantis is teaching us African American history every day. He is a walking talking embodiment of the history of discrimination in America. Put him in the curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the idea of local control over education? Why does this need to be mandated at the state level?

I'm skeptical of the educational value here (especially at a high school level), but shouldn't individual school districts be able to make that decision on their own, without state involvement?

I agree with your main point, but still the state has the responsibility to ensure some minimum quality standards.

You wouldn't want to see some district drop all math courses in all grades because math is racist or whatever, would you?

If the course lacked rigor that would be one thing, although it's doubtful to me that an AP course is going to be so lacking in rigor that it should be banned.

The worrying thing for me about this the class is framed as "contrary to Florida law." This seems most likely to be referring to the Stop WOKE Act. That act banned teaching a number of things, but looking at what's been posted of the curriculum I'd guess the big issue is the clauses prohibiting teaching that a "person by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously" and that "members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex."

Without weighing in on how I feel about those statements, I have no issue with anyone agreeing with DeSantis that those statements are untrue. What bothers me that the state is interpreting the law in a way that makes it illegal to learn that some people DO think those statements are true. Reading something written by someone who thinks all white people are inherently oppressive is not at all equivalent to teaching that that belief is true. By the time a kid is taking an college level social studies course, they should be exposed to a wide variety of beliefs including ones that the government of Florida might disagree with. If the Florida government is interpreting the Stop WOKE Act in a way that bans teaching ABOUT ideas the government finds objectionable, I think that's a real problem.

It is good to be skeptic, and better to review the actual evidence.

In this case, there are many red flags about the course. But don't trust what I say, just look up the course details yourself and see what you think.

They are only red flags if you are a bigot.