Is Harvard over-rated?

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard brand def helps in the job market and socially

-spouse of Harvard PhD grad

I think the Department of Education information is much more reliable than this spouse of Harvard PhD grad and my bartender.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

What kind of history and CS major? To do really well in either is difficult. To earn lower grades as a history major would probably be easier than to earn lower grades as CS major within reason. IF you cannot tolerate loads or reading and analysis and writing many papers including long papers, a history major will be terrible. And if you cannot tolerate hours and hours and hours CS work,,,that major will be terrible.
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Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

What kind of history and CS major? To do really well in either is difficult. To earn lower grades as a history major would probably be easier than to earn lower grades as CS major within reason. IF you cannot tolerate loads or reading and analysis and writing many papers including long papers, a history major will be terrible. And if you cannot tolerate hours and hours and hours CS work,,,that major will be terrible.

[Anonymous]

Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

Seriously, what is wrong with these people??
It's not about my belief or your imagination.

We have the data, and this is exactly why the Obama administration started it.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard history = $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
Harvard CS = $163,896

Why do you think there's such a  humongous difference?
One is an easy major that is not valued much by society and the industry.
The other one gets tremendous respect hence rewarded as such.

Rich people are promoting the delusional value of the elite school because they send their ALDC kids there to take easy majors.  They have rich dads, fancy connections, and the children have trust funds.  Some poor middle class people blindley buy that.Middle class people should be aware of these dumb delusional and fantasy.
Again this is why Obama started this information.
Go with the baseless fantasy or the Department of Education data.
Take a pick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

Seriously, what is wrong with these people??
It's not about my belief or your imagination.

We have the data, and this is exactly why the Obama administration started it.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard history = $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
Harvard CS = $163,896

Why do you think there's such a  humongous difference?
One is an easy major that is not valued much by society and the industry.
The other one gets tremendous respect hence rewarded as such.

Rich people are promoting the delusional value of the elite school because they send their ALDC kids there to take easy majors.  They have rich dads, fancy connections, and the children have trust funds.  Some poor middle class people blindley buy that.Middle class people should be aware of these dumb delusional and fantasy.
Again this is why Obama started this information.
Go with the baseless fantasy or the Department of Education data.
Take a pick.

Because plenty of history majors decide to pursue advanced degrees or do an interim job before attending law school where their income will be zero. The point is that history majors can and do get finance jobs. Or consulting jobs. Or jobs in industry. And the idea that someone who majors in history should just choose to major in CS is inane.

And the department of education data is the definition of small sample size.

You have a point that CS majors make more than history majors but you are wildly overselling it and reaching the wrong conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

Tell that to my kid’s rooming group who have multiple history majors going into finance. It’s not changed that much. Quant is not GS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

Ok. Do if your dream life to join Goldman Sachs, you know what to do

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

Tell that to my kid’s rooming group who have multiple history majors going into finance. It’s not changed that much. Quant is not GS.

People with above average intelligence won't come to a conclusion based on a few examples they know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

Tell that to my kid’s rooming group who have multiple history majors going into finance. It’s not changed that much. Quant is not GS.

People with above average intelligence won't come to a conclusion based on a few examples they know.

Not everyone is dreaming of spending a life at Goldman Sachs. You realize that means you have spend an awful lot of your time dealing with people who dream about working at Goldman Sachs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Goldman Sachs of 20 years ago is not the GS of today. They are not interested in history and English majors from Harvard anymore. They simply cannot do the math required. Sea change. Physics, CS, math (4 years of rigorous college level math with all As), and engineering majors are who they after. If you are into quantum computing, especially, you will have MANY offers. Same holds true for private equity, venture and hedge funds. They are not interested in the folks who barely passed BC calculus. If you took Math 55 at Harvard, you are probably still in the game.

Tell that to my kid’s rooming group who have multiple history majors going into finance. It’s not changed that much. Quant is not GS.

People with above average intelligence won't come to a conclusion based on a few examples they know.

What do you think the DOE data is?

When the statement is that it is impossible to get a job, actually knowing a few counter examples is all you need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard is the type of school where you can study art history or “Government” and still end up with a lucrative career in finance.

Whatever that tangible benefit is called….people really want it. I bet there’s a German word for this.

Nope, again that's your imagination. 

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard History: $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=4510&fos_credential=3
Harvard Political Science: $64,803

History and Political Science are the better ones, but still don't look 'lucrative'
Just a little better than lower tier schools, but not so lucrative.

Again elite majors >>> elite name brand schools
It's 21st century.  Don't rely on rumors or imagination.
Middle class/UMC folks who spend $$ better be aware.

For comparison in Boston area.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University&fos_code=5201&fos_credential=3
Northeatesrn Business: $78,684

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164988-Boston-University&fos_code=5202&fos_credential=3
Boston University Business: $71,952

Not even STEM.
Is Harvard overrated? Very Much.

Harvard computer science - $163,896.

That is a massive premium to the CS earnings at Northeastern and BU

Agree, Harvard CS is on par with MIT CS, Stanford CS, and Berkeley CS (can't find the numbers for Princeton CS). Big misconception that it isn't. Same goes for Yale, also on par with all of those four. All five of these fall underneath the Carnegie Mellon though

Of course Harvard + CS is a real deal unlike the ALDC kids in easy majors(43% of White kids)

Many of them actually get into the lucrative finance field mentioned earlier, but not the history major as someone's delusion.

I know you’re bizarrely obsessed with the idea of elite vs easy majors, but if you really think a Harvard history major can’t get a finance job out of school, you are blinded by your beliefs.

Seriously, what is wrong with these people??
It's not about my belief or your imagination.

We have the data, and this is exactly why the Obama administration started it.
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=5401&fos_credential=3
Harvard history = $60,343

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
Harvard CS = $163,896

Why do you think there's such a  humongous difference?
One is an easy major that is not valued much by society and the industry.
The other one gets tremendous respect hence rewarded as such.

Rich people are promoting the delusional value of the elite school because they send their ALDC kids there to take easy majors.  They have rich dads, fancy connections, and the children have trust funds.  Some poor middle class people blindley buy that.Middle class people should be aware of these dumb delusional and fantasy.
Again this is why Obama started this information.
Go with the baseless fantasy or the Department of Education data.
Take a pick.

Because plenty of history majors decide to pursue advanced degrees or do an interim job before attending law school where their income will be zero. The point is that history majors can and do get finance jobs. Or consulting jobs. Or jobs in industry. And the idea that someone who majors in history should just choose to major in CS is inane.

And the department of education data is the definition of small sample size.

You have a point that CS majors make more than history majors but you are wildly overselling it and reaching the wrong conclusions.

I'm sure there are Harvard CS graduates going to a grad school for specialization or research, etc. by choice.
Do you have any source showing your claims or are you just pulling sutff out of the air again.

These are three year out numbers, so if anything middle class folks should plan to spend more money and time for law school, grad school, or whatever according to PP if you are majoring in history at Harvard.