Why is this board obsessed with prestige?

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Anonymous wrote:Undergrad prestige does NOT matter. At all. It’s been empirically proven. Smart kids do well anywhere, whether they’re at UMD or Stanford.

Dale and Kruger. Dale and Kruger. Dale and Kruger!!!

UMD, perhaps, but what about Frostburg State vs. Stanford?

Take a look at where the CEOs of top US companies went.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/business/

It's the individual that matters, not the college they attended.

Prestige schools are highly OVER-represented in business, law, finance, academia, so the college matters.

If prestige schools are over-represented, it's because they've had first pick of high school students who are already highly accomplished and ridiculously smart, not because those who have succeeded needed the prestige college in order to be successful.

Its because grad schools and popular employers have thousands of resumes from students who have all excelled as under grads and the easiest cut to make is the quality of the school. The only exception is law school where GPA + LSAT matter more than the school, but graduates from prestigious law schools are massively over represented in big law and federal judgeships (Harvard and Yale have 8 seats on the Supreme Court between them)

Supreme Court justices are appointed, not hired.

And we're not talking about law schools anyway. Kruger and Dale looked at undergrad only, and the results can only speak to that.

And the experiences that put them in a position to be appointed largely go to graduates of a very small handful of schools (Harvard and Yale undergraduate degrees also constitute a majority of the court). The same is true on wall street, in consulting, and even in big tech.

All anyone has to do to see that you're wrong is take a look at the leadership of any major company or at LinkedIn profiles to see that you're wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

I realize you're most likely a troll just trying to get a rise from others. But in the off chance you aren't, I pity you and your offspring, I really do.

Go to any FCPS HS graduation (not even TJ!) and you’ll realize that the seniors at the top of the class are all STEM majors n]

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Anonymous wrote:The people who don’t think a good school matters are the ROI/tech folks. They think that a high-paying job is the litmus test for a successful college experience. People who aim go to highly-selective school value more than a big salary. Sure, they want that, but are first and foremost interested in the educational experience and the quality of the student peer group. Students at the best schools “know” they will make bank, if they want to, thus it’s not the focus of their education, but a result of it. Firms who hire kids from the best schools want smart, interesting, socially adept kids who have demonstrated leadership, teamwork, and persistence. A kid with an English, history, or Econ degree who might also be a college/club athlete will do just as well or better than a CS major at state U.

LOL no those schools are full of ALDC previlleged kids, and those kids major in easy stuff.
(i.e. recently 43% of Harvard White kids are ALDC)

You actually find those kids in a tier lower schools like T20-50.

Exactly. If an unhooked kid goes to Harvard and majors in something easy, they are screwed.

Absolutely not. Many unhooked kids who major in something easy go on to do consulting or finance or bizdev/growth at a tech company

Data doesn't agree with you for the 100th times.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3
3 year out Harvard English $43,842, history $60,343, Psychology $52,583


UMD CS = 100K

This! Plus the College Scorecard only measures income for Pell Grant recipients/students who took out federal loans.

The unhooked, middle class kids at Ivies who major in the Humanities or Social Sciences are doing a lifetime of damage to their future warnings.

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Anonymous wrote:The people who don’t think a good school matters are the ROI/tech folks. They think that a high-paying job is the litmus test for a successful college experience. People who aim go to highly-selective school value more than a big salary. Sure, they want that, but are first and foremost interested in the educational experience and the quality of the student peer group. Students at the best schools “know” they will make bank, if they want to, thus it’s not the focus of their education, but a result of it. Firms who hire kids from the best schools want smart, interesting, socially adept kids who have demonstrated leadership, teamwork, and persistence. A kid with an English, history, or Econ degree who might also be a college/club athlete will do just as well or better than a CS major at state U.

LOL no those schools are full of ALDC previlleged kids, and those kids major in easy stuff.
(i.e. recently 43% of Harvard White kids are ALDC)

You actually find those kids in a tier lower schools like T20-50.

Exactly. If an unhooked kid goes to Harvard and majors in something easy, they are screwed.

Absolutely not. Many unhooked kids who major in something easy go on to do consulting or finance or bizdev/growth at a tech company

Data doesn't agree with you for the 100th times.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3
3 year out Harvard English $43,842, history $60,343, Psychology $52,583


UMD CS = 100K

This! Plus the College Scorecard only measures income for Pell Grant recipients/students who took out federal loans.

The unhooked, middle class kids at Ivies who major in the Humanities or Social Sciences are doing a lifetime of damage to their future warnings.

*earnings

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

Talk to any Ivy prof in the humanities and they’ll agree with me.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

This, times a million.

The only people I know whose kids are majoring in the humanities/social sciences are weak students. Practically every top student at my kids’ high school (not TJ) goes on to major in STEM. Full stop. Science, math, and technology is definitely where the talent is at!!!

So all of those history, philosophy and psych majors at HYPS are losers who were only accepted to keep the professors in those disciplines employed?

Literally yes. The soft majors at HYPS are filled with athletes/donor kids/other hooked kids. The super smart unhooked kids universally go to STEM. ]

Wow, the depths of your ignorance are astonishing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

Talk to any Ivy prof in the humanities and they’ll agree with me.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

This, times a million.

The only people I know whose kids are majoring in the humanities/social sciences are weak students. Practically every top student at my kids’ high school (not TJ) goes on to major in STEM. Full stop. Science, math, and technology is definitely where the talent is at!!!

So all of those history, philosophy and psych majors at HYPS are losers who were only accepted to keep the professors in those disciplines employed?

Literally yes. The soft majors at HYPS are filled with athletes/donor kids/other hooked kids. The super smart unhooked kids universally go to STEM. ]

Wow, the depths of your ignorance are astonishing.

Ivy profs in the humanities universally agree with PP.

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I'm just being honest. If my kids have a lot of ambition and are lucky enough to get the chance, you can bet we're going to try to find a way to send them to Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Duke, UPenn, and so on. As a parent it just provides some ease of mind that they'll be around top students and there's a good chance (no guarantee) that they have a strong career. If they don't want to go down that path, it's fine too as long as they find a way to provide for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

I realize you're most likely a troll just trying to get a rise from others. But in the off chance you aren't, I pity you and your offspring, I really do.

Go to any FCPS HS graduation (not even TJ!) and you’ll realize that the seniors at the top of the class are all STEM majors n]

Why would someone want to be a STEM major? It is the route to a second rate life. Unless you are at Stanford or MIT or another prestige school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just being honest. If my kids have a lot of ambition and are lucky enough to get the chance, you can bet we're going to try to find a way to send them to Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Duke, UPenn, and so on. As a parent it just provides some ease of mind that they'll be around top students and there's a good chance (no guarantee) that they have a strong career. If they don't want to go down that path, it's fine too as long as they find a way to provide for themselves.

So what you're saying is that you're not obsessed with prestige. Good!

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

I realize you're most likely a troll just trying to get a rise from others. But in the off chance you aren't, I pity you and your offspring, I really do.

Go to any FCPS HS graduation (not even TJ!) and you’ll realize that the seniors at the top of the class are all STEM majors n]

Why would someone want to be a STEM major? It is the route to a second rate life. Unless you are at Stanford or MIT or another prestige school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people who can't handle real majors are more obsessed with school name prestige

This is an important point that recognizes the changing needs of employers. Math, science, technology and other STEM majors are now the basis for securing many--maybe most--of the best post-college positions.

The best funded engineering & tech research schools are found at large universities.

Trend is toward specific majors.

This. Only people majoring in soft, useless fluff like History or Philosophy worry about HYP. The smart, competent kids major in CS and are fine going to state schools.

My very smart and competent DC knows that, due to a lack of interest, he would personally be miserable as a CS major or working as an engineer/technician. He is also wise enough to choose a major and profession that likely won't pay as well, but that affords a decent lifestyle AND provide personal enjoyment and fulfillment. I was in a profession that paid VERY well (big law), but was very unhappy. I took a huge pay cut to change careers and couldn't be happier with what I'm doing now - absolutely no regrets.

Yes your kid can not handle real majors

No, my kid is wise enough not to prioritize salary over happiness. He will be fine and very content never owning a luxury brand car. I feel sorry for people whose priority goal is securing the highest paying jon possible no matter what their real interests are.

Smart motivated competent kids major in challenging real majors and minor in something else interests them.

I realize you're most likely a troll just trying to get a rise from others. But in the off chance you aren't, I pity you and your offspring, I really do.

Go to any FCPS HS graduation (not even TJ!) and you’ll realize that the seniors at the top of the class are all STEM majors n]

I have a DC who is one of the top students in the senior class of a competitive, predominantly UMC FCPS HS. Are some of the other top students planning to be STEM majors? Sure -- probably the majority of them. But are ALL of them planning to study STEM? No, not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:The people who don’t think a good school matters are the ROI/tech folks. They think that a high-paying job is the litmus test for a successful college experience. People who aim go to highly-selective school value more than a big salary. Sure, they want that, but are first and foremost interested in the educational experience and the quality of the student peer group. Students at the best schools “know” they will make bank, if they want to, thus it’s not the focus of their education, but a result of it. Firms who hire kids from the best schools want smart, interesting, socially adept kids who have demonstrated leadership, teamwork, and persistence. A kid with an English, history, or Econ degree who might also be a college/club athlete will do just as well or better than a CS major at state U.

LOL no those schools are full of ALDC previlleged kids, and those kids major in easy stuff.
(i.e. recently 43% of Harvard White kids are ALDC)

You actually find those kids in a tier lower schools like T20-50.

Exactly. If an unhooked kid goes to Harvard and majors in something easy, they are screwed.

Absolutely not. Many unhooked kids who major in something easy go on to do consulting or finance or bizdev/growth at a tech company

Data doesn't agree with you for the 100th times.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3
3 year out Harvard English $43,842, history $60,343, Psychology $52,583


UMD CS = 100K

This! Plus the College Scorecard only measures income for Pell Grant recipients/students who took out federal loans.

The unhooked, middle class kids at Ivies who major in the Humanities or Social Sciences are doing a lifetime of damage to their future warnings.

What is lifetime ROI?

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Anonymous wrote:Cause if I am going to pay a boatload of money, I want the best name. Hyundai and Mercedes both get you from point A to point B--but if they are the same price, I want the Mercedes.

Ditto! I want the best money can buy

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Anonymous wrote:Cause if I am going to pay a boatload of money, I want the best name. Hyundai and Mercedes both get you from point A to point B--but if they are the same price, I want the Mercedes.

Ditto! I want the best money can buy

The best the money can buy is Kia/Hyundai - not BMW/ Mercedes.

2022 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study | J.D. Power
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study

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Anonymous wrote:Cause if I am going to pay a boatload of money, I want the best name. Hyundai and Mercedes both get you from point A to point B--but if they are the same price, I want the Mercedes.

Ditto! I want the best money can buy

Why? Either way you are going to die, and you really won't care very much what car you drove.