Great grades but bast test scores

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was your kid's last 2 math courses in high school?

OP here. DS is taking very challenging classes-- mostly APs this year. AP Calculus this year.

If he got 1100s, he really has no business taking Calc. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, what was your kid's last 2 math courses in high school?

OP here. DS is taking very challenging classes-- mostly APs this year. AP Calculus this year.

Is he taking AP Environmental Science, AP Human Geography, AP Psychology, AP US Govt and AP Cal AB? They are the easiest classes with easiest AP math class.

NP. Do you think that AP Calc AB is easier than AP stats?

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Anonymous wrote:it's not that he doesn't test well. it's the fact that grades are incredibly inflated. i bet you his test score is where he is, not the grade.

You really are putting too much weight on these tests. It tests speed and different way of thinking than required of some high school classes. LSAT is the same. My DD does very well delving deep into issues and research, good skills for school and work, but won’t show up on an standardized test.

But test is the only tool that normalizes all kids. Put them on the same playing field.

Jaw drop. I thought it was common knowledge that all a school really knows about you if you have a high test score is that you have money.

A variety of things that correlate with test scores -- conscientiousness, intelligence, mental stamina, and sure, we can throw in anxiety -- also correlate with family income. But the correlation between the child's test scores and the parents' income isn't super strong, as is easy to see when you look at how poor asians are able to outscore rich whites.

Lots of college AOs disagree with you.

Citations please to research (there isn’t any)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Many high schools allow multiple taking of tests and late homework assignments are often not penalized. Some districts eliminated 90-100 etc. grading and many high schools do not report disciplinary actions to colleges.

In addition, fake diagnosis/prescriptions for ADHD is rampant and many HS kids are getting special 'accommodations' they do not need such as additional time for tests and assignments etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Many high schools allow multiple taking of tests and late homework assignments are often not penalized. Some districts eliminated 90-100 etc. grading and many high schools do not report disciplinary actions to colleges.

In addition, fake diagnosis/prescriptions for ADHD is rampant and many HS kids are getting special 'accommodations' they do not need such as additional time for tests and assignments etc.

But with an ADHD diagnosis they would get extra time on the SAT and ACT too. Why are they still scoring low?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Many high schools allow multiple taking of tests and late homework assignments are often not penalized. Some districts eliminated 90-100 etc. grading and many high schools do not report disciplinary actions to colleges.

In addition, fake diagnosis/prescriptions for ADHD is rampant and many HS kids are getting special 'accommodations' they do not need such as additional time for tests and assignments etc.

But with an ADHD diagnosis they would get extra time on the SAT and ACT too. Why are they still scoring low?

SAT is much more difficult than your average easy class from some random high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Well, my kid was just like this. So stop telling us there is no such thing as this combination.

My kid has several mild learning disabilities that make standardized (multiple choice) tests, especially timed ones, very difficult.

It exists, even if it challenges your very limited understanding of "intelligence."

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Anonymous wrote:it's not that he doesn't test well. it's the fact that grades are incredibly inflated. i bet you his test score is where he is, not the grade.

You really are putting too much weight on these tests. It tests speed and different way of thinking than required of some high school classes. LSAT is the same. My DD does very well delving deep into issues and research, good skills for school and work, but won’t show up on an standardized test.

But test is the only tool that normalizes all kids. Put them on the same playing field.

Jaw drop. I thought it was common knowledge that all a school really knows about you if you have a high test score is that you have money.

A variety of things that correlate with test scores -- conscientiousness, intelligence, mental stamina, and sure, we can throw in anxiety -- also correlate with family income. But the correlation between the child's test scores and the parents' income isn't super strong, as is easy to see when you look at how poor asians are able to outscore rich whites.

Lots of college AOs disagree with you.

Citations please to research (there isn’t any)

Of course there is, the UC system published a comprehensive recap of the research a year or two ago, google it. That’s what lead the UC faculty to oppose going test blind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Well, my kid was just like this. So stop telling us there is no such thing as this combination.

My kid has several mild learning disabilities that make standardized (multiple choice) tests, especially timed ones, very difficult.

It exists, even if it challenges your very limited understanding of "intelligence."

But how did your kid get As in school? Do they not count exams in their grades?? Or are you saying kid did fine in school exams but not SATs??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Well, my kid was just like this. So stop telling us there is no such thing as this combination.

My kid has several mild learning disabilities that make standardized (multiple choice) tests, especially timed ones, very difficult.

It exists, even if it challenges your very limited understanding of "intelligence."

This may be true, but how is this not an issue in regular school. Many tests are multiple choice.

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Anonymous wrote:it's not that he doesn't test well. it's the fact that grades are incredibly inflated. i bet you his test score is where he is, not the grade.

You really are putting too much weight on these tests. It tests speed and different way of thinking than required of some high school classes. LSAT is the same. My DD does very well delving deep into issues and research, good skills for school and work, but won’t show up on an standardized test.

But test is the only tool that normalizes all kids. Put them on the same playing field.

Jaw drop. I thought it was common knowledge that all a school really knows about you if you have a high test score is that you have money.

A variety of things that correlate with test scores -- conscientiousness, intelligence, mental stamina, and sure, we can throw in anxiety -- also correlate with family income. But the correlation between the child's test scores and the parents' income isn't super strong, as is easy to see when you look at how poor asians are able to outscore rich whites.

Lots of college AOs disagree with you.

Citations please to research (there isn’t any)

Of course there is, the UC system published a comprehensive recap of the research a year or two ago, google it. That’s what lead the UC faculty to oppose going test blind.

But the UC research, paid for by the Regents, not the faculty, showed the OPPOSITE of what the UC Regents wanted! That, in fact, the testing DOES forage college performance! Nevertheless, for pc reasons, the Regents disregarded the study and did away with testing. Look it up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. He's only taken the SAT once so far, but it was in 1100's, so low for this area.

he is taking almost all APs and got 1100? what did he get on his AP exams? 2s? 1100 is low for any area

This is what I keep wondering. People on DCUM post that their kids have high GPAs ( 4.2 etc) and say they have a 28 ACT or a 1250 SAT. How is it possible to get such a high GPA and bomb these tests? They can get 95% on a precalc test but a low score in the SAT math section? Are kids in some schools just allowed to retake tests to get higher scores? Or turn in assignments and homework late? How is this high of a GPA and low test scores even possible? If your kid has test anxiety or “doesn’t test well” - how do they get good grades in high school? My kid has tests and quizzes that make up 80% -100% of his grades.

Well, my kid was just like this. So stop telling us there is no such thing as this combination.

My kid has several mild learning disabilities that make standardized (multiple choice) tests, especially timed ones, very difficult.

It exists, even if it challenges your very limited understanding of "intelligence."

This may be true, but how is this not an issue in regular school. Many tests are multiple choice.

Some school systems give 50% for writing your name down on exams.

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Anonymous wrote:it's not that he doesn't test well. it's the fact that grades are incredibly inflated. i bet you his test score is where he is, not the grade.

You really are putting too much weight on these tests. It tests speed and different way of thinking than required of some high school classes. LSAT is the same. My DD does very well delving deep into issues and research, good skills for school and work, but won’t show up on an standardized test.

But test is the only tool that normalizes all kids. Put them on the same playing field.

Jaw drop. I thought it was common knowledge that all a school really knows about you if you have a high test score is that you have money.

A variety of things that correlate with test scores -- conscientiousness, intelligence, mental stamina, and sure, we can throw in anxiety -- also correlate with family income. But the correlation between the child's test scores and the parents' income isn't super strong, as is easy to see when you look at how poor asians are able to outscore rich whites.

Lots of college AOs disagree with you.

Citations please to research (there isn’t any)

Of course there is, the UC system published a comprehensive recap of the research a year or two ago, google it. That’s what lead the UC faculty to oppose going test blind.

But the UC research, paid for by the Regents, not the faculty, showed the OPPOSITE of what the UC Regents wanted! That, in fact, the testing DOES forage college performance! Nevertheless, for pc reasons, the Regents disregarded the study and did away with testing. Look it up

Our educational system (both k-12 and universities) is not keeping up with the Asian and European systems.

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Anonymous wrote:it's not that he doesn't test well. it's the fact that grades are incredibly inflated. i bet you his test score is where he is, not the grade.

You really are putting too much weight on these tests. It tests speed and different way of thinking than required of some high school classes. LSAT is the same. My DD does very well delving deep into issues and research, good skills for school and work, but won’t show up on an standardized test.

But test is the only tool that normalizes all kids. Put them on the same playing field.

Jaw drop. I thought it was common knowledge that all a school really knows about you if you have a high test score is that you have money.

A variety of things that correlate with test scores -- conscientiousness, intelligence, mental stamina, and sure, we can throw in anxiety -- also correlate with family income. But the correlation between the child's test scores and the parents' income isn't super strong, as is easy to see when you look at how poor asians are able to outscore rich whites.

Lots of college AOs disagree with you.

Citations please to research (there isn’t any)

Of course there is, the UC system published a comprehensive recap of the research a year or two ago, google it. That’s what lead the UC faculty to oppose going test blind.

But the UC research, paid for by the Regents, not the faculty, showed the OPPOSITE of what the UC Regents wanted! That, in fact, the testing DOES forage college performance! Nevertheless, for pc reasons, the Regents disregarded the study and did away with testing. Look it up

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Reread my post.