Lease provision requires renter to pay a $100 "copay" for repair costs -- is this a thing?

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

[Anonymous]

Is changing a light bulb usually the landlord’s responsibility? I don’t think it ever occurred to me not to just change them myself when I was renting! Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

You poor thing. Sell the house if you can't deal with the costs of maintaining the property.

[Anonymous]

When I lived in a Coop years ago we had strict rules about people running business out of unit. Even WFH frowned upon during interview.

Why coop wanted a nice quiet place for all of us. Our lobby, laundry rooms, elevators, stairwells, doors all the common events which include. Heat, water, gas in units all paid equally by is all.

You jamming six people in a two bedroom, then working from home then having clients and packages in an out of building is excessive wear and tear on common elements and noise complaints.

You are renting a place to live.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

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Anonymous wrote:When I lived in a Coop years ago we had strict rules about people running business out of unit. Even WFH frowned upon during interview.

Why coop wanted a nice quiet place for all of us. Our lobby, laundry rooms, elevators, stairwells, doors all the common events which include. Heat, water, gas in units all paid equally by is all.

You jamming six people in a two bedroom, then working from home then having clients and packages in an out of building is excessive wear and tear on common elements and noise complaints.

You are renting a place to live.

WFH is part of living. Stop arguing otherwise. Look, if you don't want to be a landlord then just sell your damn property.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

Is that a law? It's a custom, renters should have more responsibility in life, it would also make them more contributing to society instead of being lazy bums

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

Is that a law? It's a custom, renters should have more responsibility in life, it would also make them more contributing to society instead of being lazy bums

WTF is wrong with you? Renters aren't lazy bums, they're paying you to rent your property. And maintaining the property is absolutely the legal responsibility of the landlord.

Either you're a troll or a terrible human being.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

I didn’t read the poster as complaining — rather s/he was stating the fact that because of COVID, wear and tear was more significant than previously. If you go years without issues, and then suddenly your property has problems. COVID is obviously an interesting observation.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

Is that a law? It's a custom, renters should have more responsibility in life, it would also make them more contributing to society instead of being lazy bums

WTF is wrong with you? Renters aren't lazy bums, they're paying you to rent your property. And maintaining the property is absolutely the legal responsibility of the landlord.

Either you're a troll or a terrible human being.

But you defend renters paying under market want it both ways. They want a 2,500 a month apt for 2,000 off a private landlord. Who took lower rent as you were low maint. In exchange less wear and tear and calls in middle of night you took less rent.

In Covid those people flipped to full time work from home, many snuck pets on, many had no day care so kids running around house. All at once everything breaking. The landlord either has to move rent back towards market or not review lease.

Hardly a slumlord. My aunt had an amazing amazing rent deal. She replaced her own appliances and painted unit and did plumbing repairs. Was she taking advantage of? She laid $2,000 a month under market. Can’t have it both ways

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

Is that a law? It's a custom, renters should have more responsibility in life, it would also make them more contributing to society instead of being lazy bums

WTF is wrong with you? Renters aren't lazy bums, they're paying you to rent your property. And maintaining the property is absolutely the legal responsibility of the landlord.

Either you're a troll or a terrible human being.

But you defend renters paying under market want it both ways. They want a 2,500 a month apt for 2,000 off a private landlord. Who took lower rent as you were low maint. In exchange less wear and tear and calls in middle of night you took less rent.

In Covid those people flipped to full time work from home, many snuck pets on, many had no day care so kids running around house. All at once everything breaking. The landlord either has to move rent back towards market or not review lease.

Hardly a slumlord. My aunt had an amazing amazing rent deal. She replaced her own appliances and painted unit and did plumbing repairs. Was she taking advantage of? She laid $2,000 a month under market. Can’t have it both ways

You're a joke. You're complaining about kids being home? Renters didn't take shit from you; you underpriced.

[Anonymous]

LOL if this was in my lease, I wouldn't have told the landlord about the slow leak they had that was destroying their cabinet and made sure I was home to let in the person to make the final fix ASAP. I'd just move out when my lease was up.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the landlord had a tenant that was a problem before and called about very minor issues all the time.

This!
We had tenants with baby bowls and silverware in the garbage disposal, overloading circuits (and refusing to reset them themselves), and kitty litter put down toilet. You name it, these low life’s did it and expected immediate repairs. They threatened to reduce rent if garbage disposal wasn’t fixed overnight! (We lived 1000 miles away and I wasn’t paying a huge fee to fix it at night when there were two sinks!

I don’t know if it’s fair to charge tenants that fee though but I can see where it comes from.

What is more reasonable is to charge the tenant for repairs they caused. Did they not connect the coils to the stovetop correctly when cleaning and cause a $175 call from an electrician like ours did? They should pay for that! Did the 10 year old fridge break? Not the tenants responsibility.

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Anonymous wrote:This is genius if legal. I'm just upset I had never thought of this. If you've never been a small landlord that's not local than you have no idea the frustration with getting a call from a renter about a plug going out just to fork over hundreds of dollars to an electrician to find out that the gfci tripped because of... If the landlord is a decent person than this is 100% to get the buy in from the renter to not abuse the situation and to use some common sense not a money grab.

This is not genius. It's shitty. If you don't want to be a landlord, then don't be one.

Yes. And the landlords complaining about tenants being home more thanks to WFH: You're not renting a room in a hostel. People are allowed to be in their homes, even if they do shocking things like open the refrigerator and turn on lights while they're there.

This. A large percent of landlords have no business being landlords.

Look in Covid in my home my family started breaking everything. I went from my wife and me at work all day and two kids away at college and one at HS to 5 of us home 24/7 overnight. Faucets, dishwasher, toilets, fridge all at huge wear and tear.

Same thing happened to landlords. I did a new washer/dryer, fridge, oven and HVAC service between spring 2020 and 2022 in my rental unit. My tenant even texted when oven broke how she is now cooking for 4 3x a day 7 days a week. Vs. basically making dinner only 6x a week when all working.

So I of course things wear out quicker. Yes I replaced. But at same time it is a business and between all those repairs and freezing rent increase 20/21 landlords are jacking up rents big in 2022.

This is such over the top crap. You keep complaining about having to maintain a rental property. That's what you're supposed to do as a landlord.

I'm not a landlord but I don't understand the hostility. The landlord in the above post is explaining facts. It's not emotional or nasty.
S/he CAN afford to maintain their rental property - if they charge the tenants appropriately. "Appropriate" would be covering all the costs of the property, such as mortgage and repairs. And perhaps even a profit to the landlord. I don't think that's evil. It's the reason people get into real estate rentals.

Do you divest your portfolio of any REITS? It sounds like you have a moral objection to landlords renting property. Or is it only small, individual landlords who are evil? And big corporate landlords are allowed to be profitable?

The emotion around this is just totally illogical.