My middle schooler never opened her backpack at home all year and got all A's and two B's

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you announcing that you raised a lazy kid? That’s not something to be proud of.

It's showing how pitiful the learning and grading are in MCPS. How easy it is to work around. All of my kids know if they get an A in Q1, they can get as low as a 79.5 in Q2 and still get an A for the first semester. Then in Q3 get another A and can get as low as a 69.5 in Q4 and still get an A for a final grade.

Yup -work the system and get the same grades as the smarties. So easy

who's the smart one?

Heh I love this comment.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

Not the PP, but many kids don't even pass the AP test, have you seen the percentages? They are abysmal. And most colleges don't allow 3's anymore and some aren't allowing any - even 5's now. Some only allow 2-3 AP's max. And if you use one and fail the following course, college advisors will make your retake that AP course. Example. You come in with a Calc AP, but fail the next level Calc course. You are retaking your AP Calculus your 2nd semester and you are now further behind than those that never took the AP. It happens more than you know. Many advisors recommend just retaking certain courses if they are in your major because they know (and so do all of you parents) that a high school teacher with a BA from Towson isn't teaching Calc BC like a professor at an engineering college.

You're clueless. Over 70% of MCPS students passed with 3 or higher.

Cite your sources and the breakdown for each course. And please do it pre-covid because the AP were dumbed down in 20 and 21

Even with the dumbed down tests hardly anyone is getting a 4 or higher

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I'm not sure you understand how AP scores work. They estimate and set the scoring to allow roughly half of the kids to pass the exam. Then they grade the actual exams and sometimes more or fewer kids pass (because the score criteria were set before administration), but it is intentional to have a half and half split.

MCPS does do better than average on AP exams, but this is not universal for all MCPS schools.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

Not the PP, but many kids don't even pass the AP test, have you seen the percentages? They are abysmal. And most colleges don't allow 3's anymore and some aren't allowing any - even 5's now. Some only allow 2-3 AP's max. And if you use one and fail the following course, college advisors will make your retake that AP course. Example. You come in with a Calc AP, but fail the next level Calc course. You are retaking your AP Calculus your 2nd semester and you are now further behind than those that never took the AP. It happens more than you know. Many advisors recommend just retaking certain courses if they are in your major because they know (and so do all of you parents) that a high school teacher with a BA from Towson isn't teaching Calc BC like a professor at an engineering college.

You're clueless. Over 70% of MCPS students passed with 3 or higher.

Cite your sources and the breakdown for each course. And please do it pre-covid because the AP were dumbed down in 20 and 21

Even with the dumbed down tests hardly anyone is getting a 4 or higher

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

There
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/MCPS_AP_IB_Enrollment.pdf

These are so vague because the truth hurts. MCPS does not list per class or how many got a 3, 4, or 5 but the AP board does. Why? Because it will show how poorly it is. No one is denying they are better than the state and national level averages. But we live in a privileged wealthy county where everyone hires tutors. It isn't that impressive overall, especially when they are afraid to break it down and show the odds are against you. A 3 on an AP is meaningless at most colleges.

In reality many top colleges do not accept AP's or only accept 4 and sometimes JUST 5's. And many colleges will allow you to use credits for extra courses but not your major which is also a huge scam. My friend's son went to Harvey Mudd and they accepted nothing. More and more colleges each year are getting rid of them because 1. They make more money and 2. They have realized the students aren't truly prepared for the next class beyond their AP. They will be obsolete in 5 years.

MCPS lists scores by school and by exam here:
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

But this is the last one that I can find. It looks like the pass rate is similar to the one posted above by PP: 71.5%. This obviously beats the national average.

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I never had lots of homework in MS either. I'm really grateful for it. Plenty of time for kids to work like crazy and be stressed in high school or college. Let them be kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

Not the PP, but many kids don't even pass the AP test, have you seen the percentages? They are abysmal. And most colleges don't allow 3's anymore and some aren't allowing any - even 5's now. Some only allow 2-3 AP's max. And if you use one and fail the following course, college advisors will make your retake that AP course. Example. You come in with a Calc AP, but fail the next level Calc course. You are retaking your AP Calculus your 2nd semester and you are now further behind than those that never took the AP. It happens more than you know. Many advisors recommend just retaking certain courses if they are in your major because they know (and so do all of you parents) that a high school teacher with a BA from Towson isn't teaching Calc BC like a professor at an engineering college.

You're clueless. Over 70% of MCPS students passed with 3 or higher.

Cite your sources and the breakdown for each course. And please do it pre-covid because the AP were dumbed down in 20 and 21

Even with the dumbed down tests hardly anyone is getting a 4 or higher

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

There
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/MCPS_AP_IB_Enrollment.pdf

These are so vague because the truth hurts. MCPS does not list per class or how many got a 3, 4, or 5 but the AP board does. Why? Because it will show how poorly it is. No one is denying they are better than the state and national level averages. But we live in a privileged wealthy county where everyone hires tutors. It isn't that impressive overall, especially when they are afraid to break it down and show the odds are against you. A 3 on an AP is meaningless at most colleges.

In reality many top colleges do not accept AP's or only accept 4 and sometimes JUST 5's. And many colleges will allow you to use credits for extra courses but not your major which is also a huge scam. My friend's son went to Harvey Mudd and they accepted nothing. More and more colleges each year are getting rid of them because 1. They make more money and 2. They have realized the students aren't truly prepared for the next class beyond their AP. They will be obsolete in 5 years.

MCPS lists scores by school and by exam here:
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2019/191219%20HS%20Princ_2019_AP_IB_Exams.dh.pdf

But this is the last one that I can find. It looks like the pass rate is similar to the one posted above by PP: 71.5%. This obviously beats the national average.

This is the most recent report, published last month:

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2022/220519%20APIBGraduatesMemoPrincipal.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

I don’t know why people are saying AP’s are a scam. They are $100 per test but if you’re low income they waive the fee. As I posted earlier, both of my kids graduated UMD in 3 years saving us a whole lot of tuition. UMD takes 4’s and 5’s. One kid could graduate in 2.5 years but decided to double major to graduate in 3.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

I don’t know why people are saying AP’s are a scam. They are $100 per test but if you’re low income they waive the fee. As I posted earlier, both of my kids graduated UMD in 3 years saving us a whole lot of tuition. UMD takes 4’s and 5’s. One kid could graduate in 2.5 years but decided to double major to graduate in 3.

DP. Also, taking the class itself is always free. The exams are what costs money, and they are optional.

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My Frost middle schooler has straight As and has not had any homework all year. He did all of it in class.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you announcing that you raised a lazy kid? That’s not something to be proud of.

It's showing how pitiful the learning and grading are in MCPS. How easy it is to work around. All of my kids know if they get an A in Q1, they can get as low as a 79.5 in Q2 and still get an A for the first semester. Then in Q3 get another A and can get as low as a 69.5 in Q4 and still get an A for a final grade.

Yup -work the system and get the same grades as the smarties. So easy

who's the smart one?

Heh I love this comment.

thank you. it all depends on what you are optimizing for!

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Anonymous wrote:My Frost middle schooler has straight As and has not had any homework all year. He did all of it in class.

Yep. Same here. Child is a TPMS magnet 7th grader!

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever said middle school would get harder or have more homework, etc... is crazy. She had more homework and projects in her ES than MS.

My daughter did the absolute bare minimum and is still finishing up with all A's and two B's for her final. The late assignments get the same points, the retakes, the 89.5 and 79.5 will always equal an A for the semester. The teachers are done tired and don't care - and I don't blame them. My oldest went to a top 5 private school and we wanted to try public for my daughter since she has such close friends. I keep thinking it will get better after the pandemic, but it has not. And my daughter's work ethic has just plummeted. She could have easily have gotten all A's but who am I to be the pushy mom who insists on extra during this mental healthness outbreak. It is a fine line. And she sees that the hard workers and mediocre workers get the same grades so she chose mediocre (of course she loves saying how so many kids are failing etc... and she is trying her best.) It's total BS.

I know we are trying to bring up the rear and help out the struggling as a public school, but please tell me high school gets more competitive. She is a rising 8th grader and I am seriously contemplating private for high school. There is no way this type of learning will get them ready for a tough degree in college.

Anyone else feeling this with their middle school kids? I don't care about the learning as much as engaging and trying. It just isn't there.

Sounds like they need to sign up for more rigorous coourses.

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Anonymous wrote:My Frost middle schooler has straight As and has not had any homework all year. He did all of it in class.

Yep. Same here. Child is a TPMS magnet 7th grader!

My TPMS 7th magnet grader also had straight A's nearly 100% in all but one class. Often had an hour of HW per night but sometimes more and less. Spanish 2 and Social Studies took up a lot of time.

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Anonymous wrote:My Frost middle schooler has straight As and has not had any homework all year. He did all of it in class.

Yep. Same here. Child is a TPMS magnet 7th grader!

My TPMS 7th magnet grader also had straight A's nearly 100% in all but one class. Often had an hour of HW per night but sometimes more and less. Spanish 2 and Social Studies took up a lot of time.

Mine too, except for Spanish so it depends on the electives they choose. Plus homework for the forensic science group project at the end of the year, but it was clear my kid did most of the work for the slacker team mates on this group project and that’s why the others didn’t have homework. Your kids, with “no homework” perhaps?!!!

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the class. Some are more rigorous than others but they aren't very rigorous. However, everything is done online so no need for a backpack. Why is she getting B's if its so easy? Weren't you monitoring things?

You are that mom. All A's or you are the worst? Not the PP but my kids can get all A's and B's and that is just fine. You have no idea who is trying their best or not. And honestly trying your absolute best for all A's in middle school and stressing about it is a huge waste of time. No one cares.

DP. I agree with the PP. middle school is a lot easier than high school and if she’s already getting two B’s, it doesn’t bode well for a GPA good enough for something like UMD. It’s gotten very competitive. Moreover, her work ethic is going to have to improve because AP classes are no joke. And she’s not going to get into even average schools without a bunch of AP’s. Honors and below will not cut it even for the flagship.

AP's are the biggest money making scam of this generation. Most have to retake them in college and many colleges don't accept a lot of them.

Find me a student that has fun through high school without popping Adderall to stay up and study - goes to JUCO for 2 years and transfers to the same college as Adderall-popping anxious depressed kids who paid WAY over 5 figures for tutors, AP's, AP testing, ACT/SAT prep, and five SAT/AC tests. Not to mention all of the money spent to make your kid look college perfect on a piece of paper.

Not only do those A's with mixed B's and C's kids have a more normal fun life, they graduate college with the same degree with half the debt and half the stress.

So please please stop pointing people in the direction of all A's and AP's all of the time. You wonder why so many high schoolers are f'ing miserable.

Both my kids graduated in 3 years from UMD due to AP credit so they sure saved us a ton of money. One of my kids got a merit scholarship so saved us even more money. AP’s were not a scam for us.

Can someone explain, if a kid takes an AP class in public high school at have to pay? How? How are they a scam?

Not the PP, but many kids don't even pass the AP test, have you seen the percentages? They are abysmal. And most colleges don't allow 3's anymore and some aren't allowing any - even 5's now. Some only allow 2-3 AP's max. And if you use one and fail the following course, college advisors will make your retake that AP course. Example. You come in with a Calc AP, but fail the next level Calc course. You are retaking your AP Calculus your 2nd semester and you are now further behind than those that never took the AP. It happens more than you know. Many advisors recommend just retaking certain courses if they are in your major because they know (and so do all of you parents) that a high school teacher with a BA from Towson isn't teaching Calc BC like a professor at an engineering college.

You're clueless. Over 70% of MCPS students passed with 3 or higher.

Cite your sources and the breakdown for each course. And please do it pre-covid because the AP were dumbed down in 20 and 21

Even with the dumbed down tests hardly anyone is getting a 4 or higher

https://apstudents.collegeboard.org/about-ap-scores/score-distributions

I'm not sure you understand how AP scores work. They estimate and set the scoring to allow roughly half of the kids to pass the exam. Then they grade the actual exams and sometimes more or fewer kids pass (because the score criteria were set before administration), but it is intentional to have a half and half split.

MCPS does do better than average on AP exams, but this is not universal for all MCPS schools.

Yikes, you don't know how AP scoring works.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you announcing that you raised a lazy kid? That’s not something to be proud of.

It's showing how pitiful the learning and grading are in MCPS. How easy it is to work around. All of my kids know if they get an A in Q1, they can get as low as a 79.5 in Q2 and still get an A for the first semester. Then in Q3 get another A and can get as low as a 69.5 in Q4 and still get an A for a final grade.

Yup -work the system and get the same grades as the smarties. So easy

who's the smart one?

The one who didn't work as hard - 100%
They probably have less mental health issues and obviously are move savvy and street smart. They also have more time to be natural well rounded people than put on a fake college resume. That goes a lot further than grades. My junior in college beats out a lot of perfectionists for jobs and internships because she can talk, make conversation, work well with others, and does a lot more than just work for straight A's in college. The recruiters do not care about grades if you can haven't worked basic jobs, have social skills, and can work well with a team.

Agree!!

You will never get crazy DCUM helicopter moms to think this is a good way of parenting. Doing everything they can for them to get As including helping out on projects, hiring tutors, forcing them to study on their watch, and asking their teachers for retakes for higher A's makes their child "the smart one"