Covid at daycare/preschool - outdated policies

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a daycare center in NoVA. Daycare’s policy is to shut down a classroom for 10 days upon a confirmed positive case (either student or staff) in that room. Policy is dictated by the county health department. Our daycare doesn’t require masks for children under 5, and there’s no test to stay option.
We just completed our 6th shutdown since Nov 2020 between my 2 kids. Each shutdown has been due to a positive staff member. None of those cases resulted in further spread within the school. That’s 60 days’ worth of juggling childcare and work between my DH and myself, cobbling together a mixture of leave, WFH, working late at night, etc. it is untenable.
Meanwhile, we had an RSV outbreak in both the infant and toddler classrooms last summer, yet no classroom shutdown was required.

This. Parents with kids under 5 are really struggling and it seems like everyone else is oblivious to this fact because the policies and procedures for EVERY other age group have been updated.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a future study that shows huge economic impacts for these parents— it is negatively impacting the work life balance for this cohort of parents and will have lots of negative outcomes in terms of earning potential - some parents will be forced to leave workforce, many others will lose out on promotions /advancement opportunities as they are unable to compete with workers who don’t have to unexpectedly take week upon week of vacation time. I am really scared for my own family- we have two kids and have had at least 5 multi week shutdowns between the two of them over the past year… this is not good for our professional life and puts our family at a huge disadvantage.

Young children are proven to have practically zero chance of negative health outcomes but they are being impacted negatively in a multitude of other ways.

+1 Our family was home most of the month of May because DD was quarantined for 5 days, then caught COVID from a non-quarantined child when she was back for 3 days, then we got COVID 5 days later. It was exhausting because nobody can cover for me or DH at our jobs so we were still working, though we're fortunate to be able to work from home. It would be so much harder with two kids. As it is I feel overwhelmed, behind and not great about myself with regards to my job.

The sad thing was I was glad DD got COVID because I knew the quarantines could be neverending. At least she is exempt for 90 days.

The CDC just doubled down on 10 day quarantines for unvaccinated kids, no idea what our daycare will do with that, but it just feels so obvious at this point that this has always been about making sure there is an incentive for parents to vaccinate their kids, with absolutely ZERO regard for the impact of this on families while we're waiting for the vaccine to become available. I've come out of this with a DEEP hatred of our public health authorities. These people do not have young children and they absolutely SUCK.

How can we cross post this to either the health or politics forum. As a parent in this cohort I feel like the rest of the public is oblivious about how the under 2 group is being impacted. Working parents who rely on childcare out of the home are severely impacted. At this point my husband is even talking about us moving to a republican state because we cannot sustain the closures. I am not positive those in charge of policy have direct interaction with parents in this group.... Most people probably imagine that kids in this age group are out 1-2 times during the year. But as several other parents have pointed out this group is undergoing closure upon closure. My family has had at LEAST 5 quarantines where the kids were out a minimum of 10 days, this is real missed time at work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a daycare center in NoVA. Daycare’s policy is to shut down a classroom for 10 days upon a confirmed positive case (either student or staff) in that room. Policy is dictated by the county health department. Our daycare doesn’t require masks for children under 5, and there’s no test to stay option.
We just completed our 6th shutdown since Nov 2020 between my 2 kids. Each shutdown has been due to a positive staff member. None of those cases resulted in further spread within the school. That’s 60 days’ worth of juggling childcare and work between my DH and myself, cobbling together a mixture of leave, WFH, working late at night, etc. it is untenable.
Meanwhile, we had an RSV outbreak in both the infant and toddler classrooms last summer, yet no classroom shutdown was required.

This. Parents with kids under 5 are really struggling and it seems like everyone else is oblivious to this fact because the policies and procedures for EVERY other age group have been updated.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a future study that shows huge economic impacts for these parents— it is negatively impacting the work life balance for this cohort of parents and will have lots of negative outcomes in terms of earning potential - some parents will be forced to leave workforce, many others will lose out on promotions /advancement opportunities as they are unable to compete with workers who don’t have to unexpectedly take week upon week of vacation time. I am really scared for my own family- we have two kids and have had at least 5 multi week shutdowns between the two of them over the past year… this is not good for our professional life and puts our family at a huge disadvantage.

Young children are proven to have practically zero chance of negative health outcomes but they are being impacted negatively in a multitude of other ways.

+1 Our family was home most of the month of May because DD was quarantined for 5 days, then caught COVID from a non-quarantined child when she was back for 3 days, then we got COVID 5 days later. It was exhausting because nobody can cover for me or DH at our jobs so we were still working, though we're fortunate to be able to work from home. It would be so much harder with two kids. As it is I feel overwhelmed, behind and not great about myself with regards to my job.

The sad thing was I was glad DD got COVID because I knew the quarantines could be neverending. At least she is exempt for 90 days.

The CDC just doubled down on 10 day quarantines for unvaccinated kids, no idea what our daycare will do with that, but it just feels so obvious at this point that this has always been about making sure there is an incentive for parents to vaccinate their kids, with absolutely ZERO regard for the impact of this on families while we're waiting for the vaccine to become available. I've come out of this with a DEEP hatred of our public health authorities. These people do not have young children and they absolutely SUCK.

How can we cross post this to either the health or politics forum. As a parent in this cohort I feel like the rest of the public is oblivious about how the under 2 group is being impacted. Working parents who rely on childcare out of the home are severely impacted. At this point my husband is even talking about us moving to a republican state because we cannot sustain the closures. I am not positive those in charge of policy have direct interaction with parents in this group.... Most people probably imagine that kids in this age group are out 1-2 times during the year. But as several other parents have pointed out this group is undergoing closure upon closure. My family has had at LEAST 5 quarantines where the kids were out a minimum of 10 days, this is real missed time at work.

I don’t even know that you need a republican state- just out of the DMV (and avoid places like NYC). My nephew’s Boston area daycare implemented test to stay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are at a daycare center in NoVA. Daycare’s policy is to shut down a classroom for 10 days upon a confirmed positive case (either student or staff) in that room. Policy is dictated by the county health department. Our daycare doesn’t require masks for children under 5, and there’s no test to stay option.
We just completed our 6th shutdown since Nov 2020 between my 2 kids. Each shutdown has been due to a positive staff member. None of those cases resulted in further spread within the school. That’s 60 days’ worth of juggling childcare and work between my DH and myself, cobbling together a mixture of leave, WFH, working late at night, etc. it is untenable.
Meanwhile, we had an RSV outbreak in both the infant and toddler classrooms last summer, yet no classroom shutdown was required.

This. Parents with kids under 5 are really struggling and it seems like everyone else is oblivious to this fact because the policies and procedures for EVERY other age group have been updated.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a future study that shows huge economic impacts for these parents— it is negatively impacting the work life balance for this cohort of parents and will have lots of negative outcomes in terms of earning potential - some parents will be forced to leave workforce, many others will lose out on promotions /advancement opportunities as they are unable to compete with workers who don’t have to unexpectedly take week upon week of vacation time. I am really scared for my own family- we have two kids and have had at least 5 multi week shutdowns between the two of them over the past year… this is not good for our professional life and puts our family at a huge disadvantage.

Young children are proven to have practically zero chance of negative health outcomes but they are being impacted negatively in a multitude of other ways.

Only in small pockets of the country. Cities like dc, NY etc. The rest of the country moved on and returned to school in fall 2020. That’s why you don’t hear much about what you’re going through. Your elected officials have encouraged and enabled the situation.

[Anonymous]

We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

Correct. He is not in the same class. Their policy is the kid in the class with the exposure AND any siblings quarantine. It's the most restrictive I have heard of. We love their teachers and his class but it is getting to the point where we are going to have to look elsewhere because there is no sign that they will change this and we can't keep absorbing the closures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

Correct. He is not in the same class. Their policy is the kid in the class with the exposure AND any siblings quarantine. It's the most restrictive I have heard of. We love their teachers and his class but it is getting to the point where we are going to have to look elsewhere because there is no sign that they will change this and we can't keep absorbing the closures.

Wow, that does sound terrible. I work at a school in DC (toddlers/preschoolers) and I've never heard of anything this restrictive. I'm sorry you're dealing with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

Correct. He is not in the same class. Their policy is the kid in the class with the exposure AND any siblings quarantine. It's the most restrictive I have heard of. We love their teachers and his class but it is getting to the point where we are going to have to look elsewhere because there is no sign that they will change this and we can't keep absorbing the closures.

Wow, that does sound terrible. I work at a school in DC (toddlers/preschoolers) and I've never heard of anything this restrictive. I'm sorry you're dealing with this

Thank you!!! I appreciate the sympathy. For better or worse, our vaccinated kiddo goes to K in August so in a couple of months the sibling rule will no longer affect us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

Except this isn't how the public schools are handling things now. Vaccinated children in public schools don't quarantine for exposure anymore.
Do you quarantine your children if they are exposed to flu, RSV, or HFM?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

Correct. He is not in the same class. Their policy is the kid in the class with the exposure AND any siblings quarantine. It's the most restrictive I have heard of. We love their teachers and his class but it is getting to the point where we are going to have to look elsewhere because there is no sign that they will change this and we can't keep absorbing the closures.

We had this policy last year but I thought everyone had dropped this too!?!?!?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

Except this isn't how the public schools are handling things now. Vaccinated children in public schools don't quarantine for exposure anymore.
Do you quarantine your children if they are exposed to flu, RSV, or HFM?

Public schools are K-12 and for children 5 and over which means 100% of the population is vaccine eligible. The majority of daycare kids are under 5 and not vaccine eligible. This is why CDC has separate guidelines for daycare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

Except this isn't how the public schools are handling things now. Vaccinated children in public schools don't quarantine for exposure anymore.
Do you quarantine your children if they are exposed to flu, RSV, or HFM?

Public schools are K-12 and for children 5 and over which means 100% of the population is vaccine eligible. The majority of daycare kids are under 5 and not vaccine eligible. This is why CDC has separate guidelines for daycare.

The CDC has separate guidelines for daycare because they despise women who work outside the home. There is no other logic behind it. Unvaccinated kids under age 5 are lower risk than every other age group despite being unvaccinated. As you yourself mentioned the vaccinated people can spread COVID SO WHY DO ONLY YOUNG CHILDREN HAVE TO QUARANTINE? You cannot justify it, nobody can justify it. I absolutely hate, and I mean HATE this stupid country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

Except this isn't how the public schools are handling things now. Vaccinated children in public schools don't quarantine for exposure anymore.
Do you quarantine your children if they are exposed to flu, RSV, or HFM?

Public schools are K-12 and for children 5 and over which means 100% of the population is vaccine eligible. The majority of daycare kids are under 5 and not vaccine eligible. This is why CDC has separate guidelines for daycare.

The CDC has separate guidelines for daycare because they despise women who work outside the home. There is no other logic behind it. Unvaccinated kids under age 5 are lower risk than every other age group despite being unvaccinated. As you yourself mentioned the vaccinated people can spread COVID SO WHY DO ONLY YOUNG CHILDREN HAVE TO QUARANTINE? You cannot justify it, nobody can justify it. I absolutely hate, and I mean HATE this stupid country.

+1
The current situations with quarantines in daycare is untenable for working parents. I've posted before on this thread and others, but we are at a total of 72 days of quarantine from childcare between my 2 kids in the past 18 months. And they've never had covid.
And, FWIW, my Kindergartener is in aftercare at our daycare...10 out of 12 of the kids in her aftercare group are vaccinated, and yet they STILL quarantined the entire class due to one positive case in a staff member that was in the room for about a half hour. 10 days without aftercare, yet she was just fine to continue going to our public school. Thankfully, at least her little sister wasn't quarantined from daycare, as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just got notified of a ten-day closure due to a positive case in my five-year-old's class. She is vaccinated. Her little brother also has to quarantine for the full ten days. We just did this less than a month ago. Something has gotta give!!!!!!

They're making her quarantine even though she's vaccinated? That shouldn't happen. Is the brother in the same class? Why does he need to quarantine?

You do realize that vaccinated adults and children can still get COVID and pass it on to others? If your child has been exposed, please keep them out of school, even if they are vaccinated.

Except this isn't how the public schools are handling things now. Vaccinated children in public schools don't quarantine for exposure anymore.
Do you quarantine your children if they are exposed to flu, RSV, or HFM?

Public schools are K-12 and for children 5 and over which means 100% of the population is vaccine eligible. The majority of daycare kids are under 5 and not vaccine eligible. This is why CDC has separate guidelines for daycare.

The CDC has separate guidelines for daycare because they despise women who work outside the home. There is no other logic behind it. Unvaccinated kids under age 5 are lower risk than every other age group despite being unvaccinated. As you yourself mentioned the vaccinated people can spread COVID SO WHY DO ONLY YOUNG CHILDREN HAVE TO QUARANTINE? You cannot justify it, nobody can justify it. I absolutely hate, and I mean HATE this stupid country.

+1
The current situations with quarantines in daycare is untenable for working parents. I've posted before on this thread and others, but we are at a total of 72 days of quarantine from childcare between my 2 kids in the past 18 months. And they've never had covid.
And, FWIW, my Kindergartener is in aftercare at our daycare...10 out of 12 of the kids in her aftercare group are vaccinated, and yet they STILL quarantined the entire class due to one positive case in a staff member that was in the room for about a half hour. 10 days without aftercare, yet she was just fine to continue going to our public school. Thankfully, at least her little sister wasn't quarantined from daycare, as well.

Please keep this thread alive! I don’t think anyone making the policies truly understands the impact it has on working parents with daycare aged kids ( who are not vaccine eligible). The impacts are untenable!