Want schools open: demand Bowser disclose contact trace data on source of spikes

[Anonymous]

If one looks at the data, it is very clear: in every state in the country once indoor dining, bars and social gatherings beyond immediate family were allowed, cases began to double

In every state that one change is clearly the trigger: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html

Makes sense as when you eat you take your mask off and , if you are indoors with a mask off, you are going to spread.

So, why not close the indoor dining now and go back to take out only so that in 6 weeks we can re-open our schools ?

But maybe I am wrong, so lets demand that the Mayor hold a press conference and share the contact trace raw data she has been given on where the 30 -70 people in DC who are testing positive every day went on their daily activities ? Did they go to a back yard BBQ or to church or to a restaurant ?

DC claims to have 100 % contact trace within 24 hours, so tell us Mayor Bowser: what is the pattern of social behavior leading to spikes ? Why not shut the source of that down instead of closing our schools ? DC parents should be demanding the data and that public policy flow from the data

https://covidactnow.org/us/dc/?s=716119[url]

You know, don't talk down to us. Give us the facts. Fund the restaurants with sourced take out, but shut it down for the sake of our kid's education.

[Anonymous]

The problem is that those activities, which are causing spread, have even less likely hood of spread than 12 people talking in a room with masks on for 7 hours. Can you think of anyone in any place in the last 6 months where people have shared a regular room with 11 other people not in their household for 7 hours without spread? How is a classroom going to be different from the group homes and work places where people have been in close quarters for hours?

[Anonymous]

Instead of speculating without data, demand that the contract trace data be shared.

DC has 200 full time contact tracers drawing a salary of $4,000 a month

Supposedly, DC is performing at 100% trace of all contacts of the 35-59 covid positives a day within 24 hours ( ID of everywhere the person went, the names of who they were with, the location and the activity that they were engaged in . for example : church, BBQ in back yard, restaurant )

Publish that raw data since DC has it and we are, after all, paying as tax payers over 1 million dollars a month for the data

So educate the public by sharing what activities these 50 people testing positive a day were doing when they caught the virus

Use computer tech to analyze the highest risk activities and then shut those high risk activities down

Instead, we are just doing nothing but watching the numbers and doing nothing to change the outcome

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that those activities, which are causing spread, have even less likely hood of spread than 12 people talking in a room with masks on for 7 hours. Can you think of anyone in any place in the last 6 months where people have shared a regular room with 11 other people not in their household for 7 hours without spread? How is a classroom going to be different from the group homes and work places where people have been in close quarters for hours?

Two words: Indoor Dining

That means indoors with 50% of 200 max occupancy with everyone without a mask

Classrooms will have masks mandated and won't have 100 people in the room like indoor restaurants in DC are allowed to for past month

Lunch at school will be outdoor only

Big Difference

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that those activities, which are causing spread, have even less likely hood of spread than 12 people talking in a room with masks on for 7 hours. Can you think of anyone in any place in the last 6 months where people have shared a regular room with 11 other people not in their household for 7 hours without spread? How is a classroom going to be different from the group homes and work places where people have been in close quarters for hours?

Two words: Indoor Dining

That means indoors with 50% of 200 max occupancy with everyone without a mask

Classrooms will have masks mandated and won't have 100 people in the room like indoor restaurants in DC are allowed to for past month

Lunch at school will be outdoor only

Big Difference

Remind me why NY, NJ, Texas, and Cali have stopped indoor dining again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that those activities, which are causing spread, have even less likely hood of spread than 12 people talking in a room with masks on for 7 hours. Can you think of anyone in any place in the last 6 months where people have shared a regular room with 11 other people not in their household for 7 hours without spread? How is a classroom going to be different from the group homes and work places where people have been in close quarters for hours?

Two words: Indoor Dining

That means indoors with 50% of 200 max occupancy with everyone without a mask

Classrooms will have masks mandated and won't have 100 people in the room like indoor restaurants in DC are allowed to for past month

Lunch at school will be outdoor only

Big Difference

You are naive if you think that students will keep their masks on just because of a mandate. Toddlers, grade schoolers and tweens are not going to keep their mask on for a full day or half day of school. You will be lucky if half of them keep their masks on for the entire time, but it is probably going to be closer to 1/3 or 1/4. Even teens in MS and HS are unlikely to keep them on the full time. Teens are notorious for believing in their invulnerability and they will find plenty of excuses to take the masks off especially if they think no one is looking.

And while grade schoolers may be in one class for the entire stay at school, middle schoolers and high schoolers will be changing classes every period. It will be very difficult to maintain social distancing and still get everyone to their distance in less than a half hour. And with the mixing of classes, the contact overlap of students between hallways and multiple mixed classrooms essentially means that if anyone in the school is infected, that there is an increased risk that more than half of the school has been exposed.

Then you have the problem with outdoor lunches. What do they do when it rains? How about if we get those odd September or early October days when you get late summer weather and the temperature puts the air quality into the condition red and people are asked to stay indoors?

There are a lot of health risks to opening up the schools fully. There is no good solution, just ones that are better for some subset of the school population. No matter what you choose, some families will have a problem with the solution. The school board will have to establish their priorities and set a policy and everyone will have to live with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that those activities, which are causing spread, have even less likely hood of spread than 12 people talking in a room with masks on for 7 hours. Can you think of anyone in any place in the last 6 months where people have shared a regular room with 11 other people not in their household for 7 hours without spread? How is a classroom going to be different from the group homes and work places where people have been in close quarters for hours?

Two words: Indoor Dining

That means indoors with 50% of 200 max occupancy with everyone without a mask

Classrooms will have masks mandated and won't have 100 people in the room like indoor restaurants in DC are allowed to for past month

Lunch at school will be outdoor only

Big Difference

Lunch outside? Are we canceling school when it rains? This is getting too crazy.

[Anonymous]

Lunch will be in classrooms.

[Anonymous]

Lol demand

[Anonymous]

Recent studies suggests that younger kids don’t spread it as much as kids/teens 10+. This may support carefully opening elementary school for kids 3rd/4th grade and younger, but going virtual from middle and high school.

[Anonymous]

No one cares what you want, OP. And your “demands” are arrogant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If one looks at the data, it is very clear: in every state in the country once indoor dining, bars and social gatherings beyond immediate family were allowed, cases began to double

In every state that one change is clearly the trigger: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html

Makes sense as when you eat you take your mask off and , if you are indoors with a mask off, you are going to spread.

So, why not close the indoor dining now and go back to take out only so that in 6 weeks we can re-open our schools ?

But maybe I am wrong, so lets demand that the Mayor hold a press conference and share the contact trace raw data she has been given on where the 30 -70 people in DC who are testing positive every day went on their daily activities ? Did they go to a back yard BBQ or to church or to a restaurant ?

DC claims to have 100 % contact trace within 24 hours, so tell us Mayor Bowser: what is the pattern of social behavior leading to spikes ? Why not shut the source of that down instead of closing our schools ? DC parents should be demanding the data and that public policy flow from the data

https://covidactnow.org/us/dc/?s=716119[url]

You know, don't talk down to us. Give us the facts. Fund the restaurants with sourced take out, but shut it down for the sake of our kid's education.

Aren’t kids and teachers going to eat lunch in their classrooms with masks off?

[Anonymous]

As long as we keep prohibiting contact tracers from asking patients about protest activity as a factor in disease spread, contact tracing is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As long as we keep prohibiting contact tracers from asking patients about protest activity as a factor in disease spread, contact tracing is pointless.

Of course. COVID is just as political as anything else. To the neutral observer this is blatantly clear. School closing is more politically driven than actual scientifically driven.