ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

And some kids because of the HS option (school might not be a great soccer experience), don't play HS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

Really depends on your region, California Clubs make sure to finish their fall games before thanksgiving and start up spring late March. U13-19 play the same number of games and play all on the same days no extra games for U13/14.

In BY 8th grade players are literally called "trapped players" because they cant play soccer when the rest of the team is playing HS soccer.

You cant ignore reality

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Or instead of dealing with all the issues with workarounds just play Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team and all the issues go away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

Brain tumor much? "Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head." I'm just not sure your command of English is strong enough for an adult conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Or instead of dealing with all the issues with workarounds just play Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team and all the issues go away.

There are no issues because rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine. The club has it figured out while you are flailing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

Really depends on your region, California Clubs make sure to finish their fall games before thanksgiving and start up spring late March. U13-19 play the same number of games and play all on the same days no extra games for U13/14.

In BY 8th grade players are literally called "trapped players" because they cant play soccer when the rest of the team is playing HS soccer.

You cant ignore reality

I’m not sure if you’ve heard? But BY is gone on the girls side? Also think about what you’re saying there’s a difference between a trapped player (8th graders left with half or team or less no games) and a 9th grader who can go play high school and come back just in time to play spring club soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

Really depends on your region, California Clubs make sure to finish their fall games before thanksgiving and start up spring late March. U13-19 play the same number of games and play all on the same days no extra games for U13/14.

In BY 8th grade players are literally called "trapped players" because they cant play soccer when the rest of the team is playing HS soccer.

You cant ignore reality

Because of School year the only trapped players going forward will be hold backs and late start summer/spring bdays. When majority of the team goes to high school and they are still 8th grade. Has nothing to do with kids in high school and play in team of mostly 8th graders. They aren’t trapped they have what we call options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Or instead of dealing with all the issues with workarounds just play Aug birthdays on their correct grade in school team and all the issues go away.

Why just August players? What about Sept-Dec players who are also a grade ahead of most teammates? And then wha about Jan to July kids who started early? And at that point why not just do grad year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

[Anonymous]

its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:its just ridiculious reading what age guy writes because its all so obvious that his end goal is older players (36 months older) playing against correct age players.

Always looking to steal accomplishments from younger players.

No one is pushing for 36 month age groupings. You’re the only one pushing for kids to play up based on grade.

12 months is it. Anyone who wants to play up can if they are able and the club will allow it.

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club MVLA out of California has told families grade has nothing to do with it.
We have 3 Aug-Nov players that are going to be 9th graders next year on a team that is mostly 8th graders. Doesn’t matter we will have tryouts and coaches will pick the best players for the age group. Only players who are nationally team level will have an option of playing up. But even then the club very rarely lets players play up.

Its good to see that MLVA is prioritizing youngers wins over olders development and recruitability.

Just an FYI the 3 HS players on an 8th grade team will want to play HS soccer during the season. Which basically negates the advantage of having them on an 8th grade team.

Rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

This is not true.

In BY clubs stopped playing games during the HS season. This is because 90% of the team was in HS while the 10% were not. This is the entire reason for calling them "trapped" players. Though no fault of their own they have to stop playing soccer because everyone else on team is playing HS soccer.

SY is different because leagues wont stop playing games for 8th grade teams during HS season. Which will translate into 3-4 months of HS Aug birthday Freshman play downs not available for the league or any events while HS sesson is occurring.

Starting to make sense?

4 months = 1/3 of the season Freshman playing on 8th grade teams wont be able to play club.

No, rosters are deep, they'll most likely only miss a few games. So much better than being trapped. Take a deep breath, clubs will be fine, players will be fine.

Nobody chooses to not play HS soccer that is all in your head.

I know of a district in our region that in the last 10 years has produced one current pro, one current USWNT member and probably a dozen top elite youth players (ECNL and GA currently playing OR now/played in college at P4 D1s OR other decent in-state schools) who never played on the HS team -- which does attract kids at levels just below and is decent but struggles with getting enough kids to play. And its a mid-sized, small suburban district.

That's not uncommon with schools in our metro area. The top GA/ECNL clubs require kids to skip HS until maybe your senior year after you're recruited, so most of the best top HS teams have kids from the better USYS clubs OR who haven't played before. And the latter is why the top elite skip HS. Too much of a change in level at times and injury risk.

So you're saying local clubs make up their own rules around who can play up and now they're letting players in high that they cant play HS soccer until their Senior year?

You dont see anything wrong with this?

Not the poster. But yes clubs in my area do things differently 4 ECNL clubs each with their own rules. Some allow high school for grades 9/12 and strongly push back on high school for 10/11 graders.
Some say have fun in High school see you in 3 months.

So yes each club can have its own rules.