lax culture from an insider

[Anonymous]

The women players put themselves at risk by hanging out and drinking heavily with the boy players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a Landon supporter -- let's get that straight. To keep dredging up the UVA lacrosse murder as somehow emblematic of Landon's lacrosse program is just irresponsible. Landon attracts many good young lacrosse players and has a nice track record of getting those players into top programs. Schools in the Ivy League and other top programs would not take these kids if they thought there was any kind of institutional "problem" at the school. Over the years, lacrosse, like football or any other sport, has "black eyes" from the behaviors of its players. Landon, STA, SSSA, Prep and other programs have lax alumni who have squandered opportunities due to behavioral missteps when at college. It is not a Landon-only issue. Bigger picture: Compared to the rest of college-age young men, I am not ready to agree that lacrosse players have a greater propensity to engage in illegal or even irresponsible conduct. I think there is a rush to paint bad behavior as having a "lax bro" component. That is a problem for the sport as it is for football and basketball as far as I am concerned. Perhaps football and basketball get a pass because stories of misbehavior go back for generations. With the relatively recent popularity of lacrosse (and its perceived "elite" status), I submit that the sport is a fresh target for criticism.

This makes sense to me. When I was in college in the Northeast the hockey players were the baddest of bad boys. The "tribal" culture of physical team sports, with drinking added (ubiquitous on college campus), results in men's teams and women's teams getting into trouble (although add testosterone to the mix and the men's stuff is often more violent). I would argue that there is a bit of a "party-on dude" culture in lacrosse, and maybe smaller coaching staffs for supervision, that results in institutions like UVA's "Sunday Funday" drunkfest every week. I think maybe in-season football/basketball might be more supervised on stuff like that?

I'd love to hear about the women's teams who got in trouble.

There's been a bunch of hazing scandals -- always associated with alcohol. Seen as relatively tame 30 years ago but times have changed (and in this case for the better). I think there's a website (something like bad jocks dot com) that documents such incidents for the women's teams as well as the men's teams. As stated in the next to last quoted post, generally with women's teams you don't get the violence associated with the men's scandals, but yes, there's some "bad team behavior" by women's teams too.

[Anonymous]

The violence is directed by male LAX players against female LAX players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps, but in basketball a player can actually make money in a profitable league after college!

It's profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/wall-street-job-pipeline-finds-work-for-college-lacrosse-players.html

So true - much better prospects than an average college BB or FB player, but as the WaPo AD says " if you don't get it, you don't get it."

[Anonymous]

Please!!! Somebody start a new thread. This one is old and has run it's course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps, but in basketball a player can actually make money in a profitable league after college!

It's profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/wall-street-job-pipeline-finds-work-for-college-lacrosse-players.html

So true - much better prospects than an average college BB or FB player, but as the WaPo AD says " if you don't get it, you don't get it."

As lacrosse expands its reach -- more high school players, less of a private school influence, more college programs and thus more college athletes -- the "Wall Street secret handshake" aspect of it will probably diminish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps, but in basketball a player can actually make money in a profitable league after college!

It's profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/wall-street-job-pipeline-finds-work-for-college-lacrosse-players.html

So true - much better prospects than an average college BB or FB player, but as the WaPo AD says " if you don't get it, you don't get it."

As lacrosse expands its reach -- more high school players, less of a private school influence, more college programs and thus more college athletes -- the "Wall Street secret handshake" aspect of it will probably diminish.

Another mom who knows nothing. The lax network on Wall Street has little to do with whether a kid went to a public or private high school. It's about the network at certain colleges (primarily Ivies) that works to help guys get jobs. The Ivy football and lacrosse network is very strong and active.

That network is not going to die anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps, but in basketball a player can actually make money in a profitable league after college!

It's profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/wall-street-job-pipeline-finds-work-for-college-lacrosse-players.html

So true - much better prospects than an average college BB or FB player, but as the WaPo AD says " if you don't get it, you don't get it."

As lacrosse expands its reach -- more high school players, less of a private school influence, more college programs and thus more college athletes -- the "Wall Street secret handshake" aspect of it will probably diminish.

Another mom who knows nothing. The lax network on Wall Street has little to do with whether a kid went to a public or private high school. It's about the network at certain colleges (primarily Ivies) that works to help guys get jobs. The Ivy football and lacrosse network is very strong and active.

That network is not going to die anytime soon.

Cool your jets, old laxer. I went to an Ivy and played varsity lacrosse with the old-time helmets, FYI. The point that the democratization of lacrosse will, for numerical reasons alone, mean that not every Division I lax grad will get a top finance job is not really controversial. Will the Cornell/Harvard/Yale/Princeton/UVA/Duke pipelines still exist going forward? I'm sure they will. However, the days when playing lacrosse meant you spoke a language others did not are over, and I don't think the "us against the world" mentality will be the same, either.

And try not to keep perpetuating the image of male lacrosse players being rude and dismissive of women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps, but in basketball a player can actually make money in a profitable league after college!

It's profitable.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-23/wall-street-job-pipeline-finds-work-for-college-lacrosse-players.html

So true - much better prospects than an average college BB or FB player, but as the WaPo AD says " if you don't get it, you don't get it."

As lacrosse expands its reach -- more high school players, less of a private school influence, more college programs and thus more college athletes -- the "Wall Street secret handshake" aspect of it will probably diminish.

Another mom who knows nothing. The lax network on Wall Street has little to do with whether a kid went to a public or private high school. It's about the network at certain colleges (primarily Ivies) that works to help guys get jobs. The Ivy football and lacrosse network is very strong and active.

That network is not going to die anytime soon.

Cool your jets, old laxer. I went to an Ivy and played varsity lacrosse with the old-time helmets, FYI. The point that the democratization of lacrosse will, for numerical reasons alone, mean that not every Division I lax grad will get a top finance job is not really controversial. Will the Cornell/Harvard/Yale/Princeton/UVA/Duke pipelines still exist going forward? I'm sure they will. However, the days when playing lacrosse meant you spoke a language others did not are over, and I don't think the "us against the world" mentality will be the same, either.

And try not to keep perpetuating the image of male lacrosse players being rude and dismissive of women.

It will be valid as long as this thread lasts... Hopefully... Not that the pipeline will last but that this thread will die.

[Anonymous]

Tell me about Performance Lacrosse in DC at the high school level. Good program? Good tournaments? Recruitment?

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell me about Performance Lacrosse in DC at the high school level. Good program? Good tournaments? Recruitment?

Thanks.

No. Great guys who run the program, but the talent pool for that club is very shallow. Correspondingly, they get very little recruiting attention because the talent is thin and the teams don't do very well.

In this area, Blackwolf and VLC have the two best HS programs in terms of kids going to play college lacrosse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell me about Performance Lacrosse in DC at the high school level. Good program? Good tournaments? Recruitment?

Thanks.

No. Great guys who run the program, but the talent pool for that club is very shallow. Correspondingly, they get very little recruiting attention because the talent is thin and the teams don't do very well.

In this area, Blackwolf and VLC have the two best HS programs in terms of kids going to play college lacrosse.

What are the metro-DC (in DC or MD) teams that are worth looking at?

[Anonymous]

"worth looking at" is an interesting phrase. PP already told you the two best teams in the DMV. There are others, and they are all "worth looking at" but you need to find the right fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"worth looking at" is an interesting phrase. PP already told you the two best teams in the DMV. There are others, and they are all "worth looking at" but you need to find the right fit.

Madlax?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"worth looking at" is an interesting phrase. PP already told you the two best teams in the DMV. There are others, and they are all "worth looking at" but you need to find the right fit.

Madlax?

Google "Deadspin lacrosse coach emails" or "hey ungrateful quitter email" for some insight into the Madlax program.