ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Even better I prefer BY over SY and SY+60

Considering the political age we're entering, all we need to do is convince people BY (with exceptions that already exist) is actually the SY situation they are looking for, and then no one will have to change anything!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Were not going to a June 30th cut off.

Sorry. All signs point to Sep 1.

So what happens to the leftover trapped players?

The ones that will be double screwed over.

Exactly. What are the leagues going to do about these kids?

They will be allowed to play soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Even better I prefer BY over SY and SY+60

Fan of BY+122 vs 9/1. It is so much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Even better I prefer BY over SY and SY+60

I think in debate class, this would be called making the alternative plan in order to to win the argument (although you seem to be annoying the heck out of all the SY people)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

SY+60 is a jerk move. Just trying to stick it to kids born July 1 and 2 is bogus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Yup.

PP here. This is why the 3 choices are birth year and 2 school year options with no room for funny games.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

Actually, you're persistence on SY+60 is making THE case for BY.

Even better I prefer BY over SY and SY+60

I think in debate class, this would be called making the alternative plan in order to to win the argument (although you seem to be annoying the heck out of all the SY people)

Call it whatever you want.

I actually do prefer BY because it's easy for clubs to implement + doesn't link players to a grade in school.

While it is fun annoying the SY people they're going to end up with something like SY+60 when different states with different start dates play each other. They just don't know it yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Confirming school grade would not be hard to setup or administer.

1. Let clubs review other club players birth cert and grade verification on request. (This would already be screenshot uploaded to a website)

2. Give clubs 3 red flags to call out other clubs specific players for cheating. If a flag is raised the league will confirm if correct. If correct the club cheating is punished. The club that called the red flag gets their red flag back to.

The scenario defined above requires minimal effort from a league presepective.

Also keep in mind with SY+60 you have to be born within a specific range 7/1 to 9/1 (the next year) so true redshirt playing down isn't possible. Yes players born in the 2 month grade confirmation required period might cheat but even if they do they're the same age as other players. Just a grade difference.

That is way to hard for the clubs that I am familiar with. Going with a state's school year dates is much easier.

If so, they'll still need a system when states with different dates play each other AND more importantly national leagues that have teams in states across the country (ECNL). They'll either need a date OR some alternative system like the SY+60 poster doesn't stop yammering on.

Welcome to the SY+60 camp.

Others will get there overtime. Unfortunately some need to experience the negatives before being forced to address them.

SY+60 is a jerk move. Just trying to stick it to kids born July 1 and 2 is bogus.

The ones that are a grade older in school?

[Anonymous]

And almost 600 pages in many are finally realizing that the SY change will only benefit a select few and still keeps many players disadvantaged. Harsh reality!

[Anonymous]

And now I think everyone understands the advantages of birth year. Of all the potential issues with these other options, the two months of trapped players for one year doesn’t seem so bad now, does it?

[Anonymous]

Keep crying. Its over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now I think everyone understands the advantages of birth year. Of all the potential issues with these other options, the two months of trapped players for one year doesn’t seem so bad now, does it?

Agree x1000 that BY is better than SY.

But SY+60 isn't that bad.

[Anonymous]

Between all the leagues, and USSF giving everyone leeway to do what’s best for them, we’re going to see a little bit of everything, I believe, from BY, school year, etc. It will be interesting to see what the national leagues do given that all states are different. I don’t see why people think there are only three options because it is clear from the release that those were just popular suggestions.

I don’t think the big leagues, and clubs, are worried about a little extra paperwork. It is quite literally their jobs to manage soccer teams and leagues. That’s like going to your boss and saying you don’t want to try to improve your company because what you did before is just easier.

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Anonymous wrote:They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

I don't think they do. The US Youth Soccer guy hinted that they would be creating different rules to accommodate different districts/states. This will never work because districts change start dates all the time. Also it would be impossible to keep track of all the different states and school start dates to maintain up to date rules.

That is for local league. For national league, it can only have one cutoff date with no waivers. And ECNL CEO already hinted 9/1. I will bet my money on it.

We'll see, 9/1 + 60 gets rid of ALL complaints from parents + trapped players.

9/1 by itself still has trapped players depending on the state/district. Which means they'll still have a group of complaining parents.

ECNL will not give a f**k on those parents whose kids are marginal and can only play down to join NL. They will not bring value to ECNL.

Just reread your comment and I don't think you understand how 9/1 + 60 would work.

With 9/1 + 60 players born from 9/1 to 9/1 that year only need to show a birth cert to register to play.

If you were born 60 days before 9/1 you can play with your grade by providing a birth cert and proof of school enrollment at X grade.

All others that are a year older in school but are born 60 days before 9/1 won't be able to play down. (Because they're not in the correct grade in school)

Make sense? Nobody is playing down + all trapped players are addressed.

Scouts would only see one grade playing on the field during showcases.

They will go to a hard cutoff date if 9/1. If I remember right during the last podcast (I know, I know) they brought up percentage of players effected by saying 9/1 will be effect the least amount of players as opposed to 8/1. I would say they have thought it through and are going with a hard date. They don’t want to mess with +30-60 when they can just set the date.

The reason why I know 9/1 + 60 will happen is because it addresses all kinds of issues + makes things easier for clubs to implement SY.

Go listen to it then
They are just trying to minimize the trap player and never said eliminate the trap player. If you do the + 60 might as well go to a 14 month span….they are not going to do that.

You don't want to do this because it allows players to play down a grade in school.

9/1 + 60 doesn't allow (aug july) players who started school early and are a grade ahead to play down with the grade they should be in school.

+ 60 picks up kids born 60 days BEFORE the cutofff (9/1), right? Doesn’t that address kids who started school late (or have a school cutoff (8/1) that is earlier than the soccer cutoff (9/1))? I’m asking about players who are born AFTER the soccer cutoff. 9/1 cutoff for school and soccer says a Sept 2012 kid is u12 and 6th grade (the oldest in her class). But if that kid started school one year early, she’s actually in 7th grade (the youngest in her class) and her teammates are in 6th grade. +60 doesn’t address that, right?

Correct, 9/1 + 60 does not allow kids that are older (traditionally) than their grade in school to "play down" with their grade in school.

Put more bluntly if your kid is a "hold back / regrade" 9/1 + 60 won't let them play with the grade they're in at school.They"ll have to play with the grade up.

So the 9/1 + 60 is basically what USA Lacrosse has done, but limits it to two months as oppose to 3? You have a 9/1 soccer cutoff, but if you’re within 60 days of the cutoff (July and August months) then you can play with your graduation year. So if you’re born Aug 3, 2012, but a 2031 grad as opposed to a 2030 grad since you started late, then you’d play with your grad year since you’re within 60 days from the cutoff, right?

Kind of..

It also makes sure players who are of age but not in the correct grade can't play down.

Different opinion. 9/1+60 is stupid.

Everyone except you knows that you're embarrassing yourself.

Or it’s stupid and makes things more complicated than they need to be.

Anytime you give one subset an option you don’t give the others, it just screws up the system and lends itself to abuse.

Would 1/1+60 make sense? No.

9/1+60 only makes marginal sense because SY isn’t a clean date. But it’s not workable nationally, and it’s not workable competitively.

But it takes a stupid issue, age cutoffs, and just ups the complication, which makes it dumber than the underlying issue.

Welcome to a gigantic duh...

As I've said before I prefer BY because it's easier for clubs to implement + makes more sense.

I've only included 9/1 + 60 detail because it's the only way to implement SY + make it work for everyone involved.

Having a mid July kid and suggesting SY+60 is saying I want to be at the front of the line. Preferring BY over SY in this instance is saying I prefer to be in the middle of the line rather than the back. Just generic selfishness cloaked in pretend empathy.