Why are people so upset about Common Core?

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Anonymous wrote:Here are 1st grade writing standards. 1st grade, when many children are just learning to read ...and yet they are supposed to write "opinion pieces."


Text Types and Purposes:
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.1
Write opinion pieces in which they introduce the topic or name the book they are writing about, state an opinion, supply a reason for the opinion, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.2
Write informative/explanatory texts in which they name a topic, supply some facts about the topic, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.3
Write narratives in which they recount two or more appropriately sequenced events, include some details regarding what happened, use temporal words to signal event order, and provide some sense of closure.


I think the big words (like informative, explanatory, narrative, and recount, sequenced...." are scary to you.

I'll explain in "first grade" speak for you:

informative/explanatory mean -- tell what you learned
narrative/recount mean "tell what happened in a story"
Sequence/temporal mean "say what happened first, next and last"

They are just big eduspeak words we folks in education use. Once you learn the jargon, it doesn't sound so scary!


Again, not first grade skill for many. End of first grade, perhaps.
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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that teachers excuse other teachers for sending home error ridden worksheets.


My daughter's teacher creates her own material on a daily basis as a way of enlivening the curriculum and in addition to the suggested materials purchased by the country. SOme come from online sources, but she makes a lot herself. (That's the "freedom to be creative" piece people are so worried will be lost with national standards.) If there are a few typos I am not going to get my panties in a wad.

If a published curriculum were riddled with errors, I would expect that material not to be used, and I would find fault with a school district that allowed it to be purchased and used. I would not find fault with a teacher for sending home work from a required text.

The few examples we have seen here from New York State (math curriculum questions that are confusing) I would find unacceptable if they were assigned on a daily basis by an individual teacher. If they are part of an official curriculum adopted by a school district, I would be contacting that school district and holding it accountable for adopting this textbook as there are better ones out there.


If I created a manual for software and that software's manual was being tested and contained errors to the point where it confused the testers, I would be held responsible - and rightfully so. If a teacher sends home a worksheet with errors that frustrates a child and upsets the peace of the household, you darn well should 'get your panties in a wad'.

Unreal - no personal responsibility demonstrated at all.


You don't see the difference between a software manual being prepared for publication (presumably within a timeframe of a month or more) and a teacher creating worksheets every day for her class to take home at night???


No, I do not. Matter of fact, I see the teacher's job as easier - pick or create a worksheet, look it over to be sure there are no errors that might confuse the child - left out arrows, typos, unclear instructions, etc., copy it, then hand it out.

If a teacher does not have the time to make sure a worksheet is correct, they need a new job.


But in NY, where these worksheets are coming from, the teacher's job is not to pick or create a worksheet. The teacher's job is to assign the worksheet that is in the pacing guide. You can argue that that shouldn't be the way it works, but that's the way it currently does work.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Here are 1st grade writing standards. 1st grade, when many children are just learning to read ...and yet they are supposed to write "opinion pieces."


Text Types and Purposes:
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.1
Write opinion pieces in which they introduce the topic or name the book they are writing about, state an opinion, supply a reason for the opinion, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.2
Write informative/explanatory texts in which they name a topic, supply some facts about the topic, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.3
Write narratives in which they recount two or more appropriately sequenced events, include some details regarding what happened, use temporal words to signal event order, and provide some sense of closure.


Sample first grade "opinion piece"

I like ise crem. Ise crem is swete. Ise crem is cold. Ise crem tasts good. I want two eet ise crem evry day!


I can see this as not meeting the standard to some teachers. For instance, I can say that wanting to eat ice cream every day does not provide adequate closure. Wanting to eat ice cream every day isn't really closure. So when testing for something like this, I can see that there might be multiple sentences that could meet the standards. Does the child pick A or B? Why is A a better answer than B, especially when dealing with "some sense of closure".
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here are 1st grade writing standards. 1st grade, when many children are just learning to read ...and yet they are supposed to write "opinion pieces."


Text Types and Purposes:
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.1
Write opinion pieces in which they introduce the topic or name the book they are writing about, state an opinion, supply a reason for the opinion, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.2
Write informative/explanatory texts in which they name a topic, supply some facts about the topic, and provide some sense of closure.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.W.1.3
Write narratives in which they recount two or more appropriately sequenced events, include some details regarding what happened, use temporal words to signal event order, and provide some sense of closure.


I think the big words (like informative, explanatory, narrative, and recount, sequenced...." are scary to you.

I'll explain in "first grade" speak for you:

informative/explanatory mean -- tell what you learned
narrative/recount mean "tell what happened in a story"
Sequence/temporal mean "say what happened first, next and last"

They are just big eduspeak words we folks in education use. Once you learn the jargon, it doesn't sound so scary!


Again, not first grade skill for many. End of first grade, perhaps.


That's what standards are. They are a description of the point where a student should be at the end of the grade.

Most kids can write a simple 3 or 4 sentence piece in first grade. It may not be spelled beautifully or grammatically correct but they can meet the standard.
Anonymous
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

From " Six Reasons to Reject Common Core"

"An example of a developmentally inappropriate Common Core standard for kindergarten is one that requires children to “read emergent reader texts with purpose and understanding.” Many young children are not developmentally ready to read in kindergarten and there is no research to support teaching reading in kindergarten. There is no research showing long-term advantages to reading at 5 compared to reading at 6 or 7.6"

AND



"The CCSS do not comply with the internationally and nationally recognized protocol for writing professional standards. They were written without due process, transparency, or participation by knowledgeable parties. Two committees made up of 135 people wrote the standards – and not one of them was a K-3 classroom teacher or early childhood education professional. When the CCSS were first released, more than 500 early childhood professionals signed a Joint Statement opposing the standards on the grounds that they would lead to long hours of direct instruction; more standardized testing; and would crowd out highly important active, play-based learning. "

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that teachers excuse other teachers for sending home error ridden worksheets.


My daughter's teacher creates her own material on a daily basis as a way of enlivening the curriculum and in addition to the suggested materials purchased by the country. SOme come from online sources, but she makes a lot herself. (That's the "freedom to be creative" piece people are so worried will be lost with national standards.) If there are a few typos I am not going to get my panties in a wad.

If a published curriculum were riddled with errors, I would expect that material not to be used, and I would find fault with a school district that allowed it to be purchased and used. I would not find fault with a teacher for sending home work from a required text.

The few examples we have seen here from New York State (math curriculum questions that are confusing) I would find unacceptable if they were assigned on a daily basis by an individual teacher. If they are part of an official curriculum adopted by a school district, I would be contacting that school district and holding it accountable for adopting this textbook as there are better ones out there.


If I created a manual for software and that software's manual was being tested and contained errors to the point where it confused the testers, I would be held responsible - and rightfully so. If a teacher sends home a worksheet with errors that frustrates a child and upsets the peace of the household, you darn well should 'get your panties in a wad'.

Unreal - no personal responsibility demonstrated at all.


You don't see the difference between a software manual being prepared for publication (presumably within a timeframe of a month or more) and a teacher creating worksheets every day for her class to take home at night???


No, I do not. Matter of fact, I see the teacher's job as easier - pick or create a worksheet, look it over to be sure there are no errors that might confuse the child - left out arrows, typos, unclear instructions, etc., copy it, then hand it out.

If a teacher does not have the time to make sure a worksheet is correct, they need a new job.


But in NY, where these worksheets are coming from, the teacher's job is not to pick or create a worksheet. The teacher's job is to assign the worksheet that is in the pacing guide. You can argue that that shouldn't be the way it works, but that's the way it currently does work.


If I went to my boss and said "Well, I picked the document out of the guide and it was incorrect, but I handed it out anyway, as that's my job", I would be looked upon as inefficient and having no initiative. And that's being kind. If the worksheet is wrong in the guide, FIX IT FIRST AND THEN HAND IT OUT. This is not rocket science.

If you are saying it's not the teacher's job to do this, you have just proved my point. And if that's the way it's supposed to work, then you've just proved how inefficient public schools are.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that teachers excuse other teachers for sending home error ridden worksheets.


My daughter's teacher creates her own material on a daily basis as a way of enlivening the curriculum and in addition to the suggested materials purchased by the country. SOme come from online sources, but she makes a lot herself. (That's the "freedom to be creative" piece people are so worried will be lost with national standards.) If there are a few typos I am not going to get my panties in a wad.

If a published curriculum were riddled with errors, I would expect that material not to be used, and I would find fault with a school district that allowed it to be purchased and used. I would not find fault with a teacher for sending home work from a required text.

The few examples we have seen here from New York State (math curriculum questions that are confusing) I would find unacceptable if they were assigned on a daily basis by an individual teacher. If they are part of an official curriculum adopted by a school district, I would be contacting that school district and holding it accountable for adopting this textbook as there are better ones out there.


If I created a manual for software and that software's manual was being tested and contained errors to the point where it confused the testers, I would be held responsible - and rightfully so. If a teacher sends home a worksheet with errors that frustrates a child and upsets the peace of the household, you darn well should 'get your panties in a wad'.

Unreal - no personal responsibility demonstrated at all.


And if teachers are creating worksheets or homework assignments with errors, then they bear personal responsibility.

But the worksheets that have gone viral weren't teacher created or selected, or at least they weren't created or selected by the teacher who sent them home. The responsibility for poorly designed worksheets lies with the people who wrote them, and the people who adopted them.


The teacher is who is in the classroom with the children. Are you stating that the teacher should hand out something that he/she knows is incorrect because she didn't create them?
Anonymous
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.
Anonymous
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By stating that you wouldn't get your panties in a wad over a few typos, I feel you are not demonstrating the concept of personal responsibility. Those "few typos" can melt down a child who is trying hard to understand the assignment, which then sets the tone for homework. Add to this, the frustration of parents trying to understand what the hell is wanted from the kid on the worksheet, and you get one pissed parent. And the teacher then has the nerve to feel 'slighted' when the parents get upset.

All because the teacher could not be bothered to check the work she was sending home.


So if I create a great big noisy fuss when a teacher sends home a worksheet that has a few typos, that will teach my child to be personally responsible?

I don't know what to say.


You don't know what to say because you deliberately changed the subject to the child being taught personal responsible. The child is the victim here - being sent home with homework that makes no sense due to errors.

If you send one a worksheet that the child can't figure out due to errors, the child is put in a bind. He/she knows she's supposed to do the homework but can't because it's wrong. So the child is now supposed to go into the teacher and say "this worksheet is wrong and I couldn't do my homework?" Since when is it a child's job to confront a teacher about the teacher's inadequacy? That's the parent's job. Adults deal with adults.

If you send home a worksheet that's wrong, that's on you. Unless you don't take pride in your work.
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Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.


New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.
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Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.


New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.


Keep telling yourself the lie. Your kids will find out the hard way next April when they're the ones vomiting.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

From " Six Reasons to Reject Common Core"

"An example of a developmentally inappropriate Common Core standard for kindergarten is one that requires children to “read emergent reader texts with purpose and understanding.” Many young children are not developmentally ready to read in kindergarten and there is no research to support teaching reading in kindergarten. There is no research showing long-term advantages to reading at 5 compared to reading at 6 or 7.6"


Many young children are not developmentally ready to "read" by the end of kindergarten which is why the standards say only that they will be able to read "Emergent Reader" texts. Emergent Reader texts are intended for preK and K level readers. They make heavy use of pattern sentences, pictures and other cues to help kids begin to read. Think texts like:

This is a farm (picture of a farm)
This is a pig (picture of a pig)
This is a chicken (picture of a chicken)
etc.

Explanation here of the characteristics of "Emergent Reader" text
http://campus.kellerisd.net/schools/bpe-118/Parent%20Resources/Stages%20of%20Reading%20Development.pdf



"The CCSS do not comply with the internationally and nationally recognized protocol for writing professional standards. They were written without due process, transparency, or participation by knowledgeable parties. Two committees made up of 135 people wrote the standards – and not one of them was a K-3 classroom teacher or early childhood education professional. When the CCSS were first released, more than 500 early childhood professionals signed a Joint Statement opposing the standards on the grounds that they would lead to long hours of direct instruction; more standardized testing; and would crowd out highly important active, play-based learning. "


Given the criticism teachers have been receiving here for being lazy and handing out error riddled worksheets, maybe its a good thing we weren't involved in the writing of the standards?

I dunno. I teach early elementary reading and writing, and I think the standards are fine for early elementary kids. The K foundational skills standards are fantastic. Emphasis on non nonsense phonics that I feel are appropriate for most K students. Basic skills. If the biggest objection is the requirement for K students to read Emergent Reader books by the end of the year (again, basically patern sentences).... I think that's not too bad.

K Foundational Skills

Demonstrate understanding of the organization and basic features of print.
Follow words from left to right, top to bottom, and page by page.
Recognize that spoken words are represented in written language by specific sequences of letters.
Understand that words are separated by spaces in print.
Recognize and name all upper- and lowercase letters of the alphabet.
Demonstrate understanding of spoken words, syllables, and sounds (phonemes).
Recognize and produce rhyming words.
Count, pronounce, blend, and segment syllables in spoken words.
Blend and segment onsets and rimes of single-syllable spoken words.
Isolate and pronounce the initial, medial vowel, and final sounds (phonemes) in three-phoneme (consonant-vowel-consonant, or CVC) words.1 (This does not include CVCs ending with /l/, /r/, or /x/.)
Add or substitute individual sounds (phonemes) in simple, one-syllable words to make new words.
Phonics and Word Recognition:
Know and apply grade-level phonics and word analysis skills in decoding words.
Demonstrate basic knowledge of one-to-one letter-sound correspondences by producing the primary sound or many of the most frequent sounds for each consonant.
Associate the long and short sounds with the common spellings (graphemes) for the five major vowels.
Read common high-frequency words by sight (e.g., the, of, to, you, she, my, is, are, do, does).
Distinguish between similarly spelled words by identifying the sounds of the letters that differ.
Read emergent-reader texts with purpose and understanding.



Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
By stating that you wouldn't get your panties in a wad over a few typos, I feel you are not demonstrating the concept of personal responsibility. Those "few typos" can melt down a child who is trying hard to understand the assignment, which then sets the tone for homework. Add to this, the frustration of parents trying to understand what the hell is wanted from the kid on the worksheet, and you get one pissed parent. And the teacher then has the nerve to feel 'slighted' when the parents get upset.

All because the teacher could not be bothered to check the work she was sending home.


Hmmm, well if you are the type of parent who gets hysterical over things like typos, and can't deal with errors, you are probably also not raising resilient kids.

Of course, frequent errors, or poor pedagogy, should be addressed; and homework should be a review of concepts learned, not left to the parents to explain to the child. But if a few minor mistakes are leading your child to melt down in frustration, your child probably has some learning issues going on that should be checked out.[/quote]


A parent should not have to explain a darn thing to the child if you are doing your job right, i.e. not sending home error-ridden worksheets. By the way? The bolded? That's illegal for you to say to a parent as a teacher. I suggest you never say that to a parent of a child you teach. You are not a doctor, you are a teacher. You are not a psychologist, you are a teacher. You don't get to diagnose; you are not trained to do so. Learn your place.

For all I know, you could be a flaming witch to the kids when they come in without their homework done, and my kid knows this, so melts down because he/she knows it's big trouble when the erroneous worksheet could not be completed nor understood. Amazing how you put these errors onto the kids, as in, well, I made a mistake and don't really care how it affects my students. Glad you have such a caring demeanor.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:From http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/05/02/6-reasons-to-reject-common-core-k-3-standards-and-6-axioms-to-guide-policy/

As a teacher for 24 years who has spent her entire career teaching inner city youth, all I can say is YES! The standards are inappropriate for young children. Today was the last day of NYS math tests, and I had to supervise lovely, bright, hard-working students who were crying, sitting in fetal positions, asking me questions I was not allowed to answer, and two of them ended up in the nurse's office throwing up. The ELA test was entirely appropriate for 5th graders, not the third graders who endured 3 1/2 hours of it without the slightest chance of understanding it. The first two days of the math test were fair, full of questions that third graders can understand and reasonably answer. That was not the case today. All of the adults had trouble answering a number of the questions. Each question required 2 or 3 different computations and a level of math comprehension well beyond what a child this age could truly be expected to answer. Why are people with no credentials in these areas creating the standards, curriculum and testing? If this was any other field, there would be an uproar. Imagine if elementary teachers were creating standards for lawyers, if doctors created the standards for bankers, if politicians created the standards for medical care? Would it be acceptable? We are losing a generation of children to nonsense. It should be intolerable for everyone.


New York State. Not Common Core state Standards. New York State.


Keep telling yourself the lie. Your kids will find out the hard way next April when they're the ones vomiting.


I doubt it. My kids are in MD schools and both of them were selected to do PARCC field testing. They said there were some glitches with the hardware, but the tests themselves were not any big scary deal.

My 3rd grader says that she's been taking practice tests based on the PARCC which are kind of hard because for multiple choice sometimes there isn't just one right answer, she has to choose ALL the right answers. That causes a little nervousness because she isn't so sure she's got them all. But her teachers tell her it's just a test to see what she knows; she should just do her best and not worry about it. So, no vomiting.
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Of course, frequent errors, or poor pedagogy, should be addressed; and homework should be a review of concepts learned, not left to the parents to explain to the child. But if a few minor mistakes are leading your child to melt down in frustration, your child probably has some learning issues going on that should be checked out.[/quote]


A parent should not have to explain a darn thing to the child if you are doing your job right, i.e. not sending home error-ridden worksheets. By the way? The bolded? That's illegal for you to say to a parent as a teacher. I suggest you never say that to a parent of a child you teach. You are not a doctor, you are a teacher. You are not a psychologist, you are a teacher. You don't get to diagnose; you are not trained to do so. Learn your place.


Sorry, a teacher has every legal right, indeed has a moral responsibility, to suggest to a parent that his or her child has a learning issue that should be investigated. A possible learning problem is not a medical diagnosis. It is a teacher's place indeed to bring this concern up to a parent or to a school referral team!
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