ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

SY Parents: "SY is like peanut butter and grape jelly. It was the standard and we need to return to it."

BY Parents: "The international standard is peanut butter and strawberry jam. It is simpler and makes sense."

SY Parents: "But more kids like peanut butter and grape jelly and isn't that who we should prioritize?"

SY+90: "Yes, grape jelly, but the peanut should be organic and the bread should be gluten free whole wheat, because that is what the lacrosse players eat. Seems simple and sensible enough to me"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SY Parents: "SY is like peanut butter and grape jelly. It was the standard and we need to return to it."

BY Parents: "The international standard is peanut butter and strawberry jam. It is simpler and makes sense."

SY Parents: "But more kids like peanut butter and grape jelly and isn't that who we should prioritize?"

SY+90: "Yes, grape jelly, but the peanut should be organic and the bread should be gluten free whole wheat, because that is what the lacrosse players eat. Seems simple and sensible enough to me"

Ohh.... SY+90 is an even better marketing term than 9/1+90.

You are a genius.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 9/1 + 60 would capture the July and August birthdays who entered Kindergarten older rather than right at age 5, correct (ie, older side of their grade)? One poster keeps claiming those kids wouldn’t be captured and able to play with their actual grade.

I think there's just misunderstanding about what "attend kindergarten early" entails.

Yes, a kid born 60 days before 9/1 who is in the correct grade can play with their grade in school. (Started kindergarten early)

No, a kid born a year earlier than everyone else who's Parents are trying to game the system by starting kindergarten a year late will not be able to play with their grade in school. This is because their birth cert would force them to play with a players a grade up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 9/1 + 60 would capture the July and August birthdays who entered Kindergarten older rather than right at age 5, correct (ie, older side of their grade)? One poster keeps claiming those kids wouldn’t be captured and able to play with their actual grade.

I think there's just misunderstanding about what "attend kindergarten early" entails.

Yes, a kid born 60 days before 9/1 who is in the correct grade can play with their grade in school. (Started kindergarten early)

No, a kid born a year earlier than everyone else who's Parents are trying to game the system by starting kindergarten a year late will not be able to play with their grade in school. This is because their birth cert would force them to play with a players a grade up.

Then 9/1 +60 doesn’t fix the trapped pager problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is basically what you’re talking about

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

which makes a lot of sense and captures the most people within their grade and allows the late summer kids to play with their grade if they started school later. If you’re a Sept 2 kid and a grade ahead, you’d be playing with the grade below, but could play up if the team will have you. There is a much smaller group of kids who are past Sept 1 that are a full year ahead, and a much, much larger group of late summer birthdays who started school later (those July/Aug kids).

No, 9/1 +60 is different in that it doesn't allow players born 60 days before 9/1 to play in X grouping unless they're enrolled in that grade in school.

What this does is address ALL trapped players. But at the same time guarantee that all players on a team in a grouping are X grade in school. Which is what all the SY people feel is beneficial for scouts at events and showcases.

Make sense?

Can you point to anybody who is an actual in a position to make a youth soccer decision suggesting any waivers or allowance outside of the prescribed 12 month period? I have only seen the opposite and am only familiar with MLSN's late developer loophole to get older kids on a team. Doesn't seem like exceptions are being discussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 9/1 + 60 would capture the July and August birthdays who entered Kindergarten older rather than right at age 5, correct (ie, older side of their grade)? One poster keeps claiming those kids wouldn’t be captured and able to play with their actual grade.

I think there's just misunderstanding about what "attend kindergarten early" entails.

Yes, a kid born 60 days before 9/1 who is in the correct grade can play with their grade in school. (Started kindergarten early)

No, a kid born a year earlier than everyone else who's Parents are trying to game the system by starting kindergarten a year late will not be able to play with their grade in school. This is because their birth cert would force them to play with a players a grade up.

Then 9/1 +60 doesn’t fix the trapped pager problem.

Yes it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is basically what you’re talking about

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

which makes a lot of sense and captures the most people within their grade and allows the late summer kids to play with their grade if they started school later. If you’re a Sept 2 kid and a grade ahead, you’d be playing with the grade below, but could play up if the team will have you. There is a much smaller group of kids who are past Sept 1 that are a full year ahead, and a much, much larger group of late summer birthdays who started school later (those July/Aug kids).

No, 9/1 +60 is different in that it doesn't allow players born 60 days before 9/1 to play in X grouping unless they're enrolled in that grade in school.

What this does is address ALL trapped players. But at the same time guarantee that all players on a team in a grouping are X grade in school. Which is what all the SY people feel is beneficial for scouts at events and showcases.

Make sense?

Can you point to anybody who is an actual in a position to make a youth soccer decision suggesting any waivers or allowance outside of the prescribed 12 month period? I have only seen the opposite and am only familiar with MLSN's late developer loophole to get older kids on a team. Doesn't seem like exceptions are being discussed.

Here's why leagues and clubs will consider SY+60...

It's because if they don't there will still be an annoying group of trapped player parents complaining all the time.

Also, many clubs provide practice sessions for trapped players while their teammates are playing high school to keep them enagaed. This costs $$$ in both fields and coaches.

So.. less complains and less costs are why SY+60 will happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is basically what you’re talking about

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

which makes a lot of sense and captures the most people within their grade and allows the late summer kids to play with their grade if they started school later. If you’re a Sept 2 kid and a grade ahead, you’d be playing with the grade below, but could play up if the team will have you. There is a much smaller group of kids who are past Sept 1 that are a full year ahead, and a much, much larger group of late summer birthdays who started school later (those July/Aug kids).

No, 9/1 +60 is different in that it doesn't allow players born 60 days before 9/1 to play in X grouping unless they're enrolled in that grade in school.

What this does is address ALL trapped players. But at the same time guarantee that all players on a team in a grouping are X grade in school. Which is what all the SY people feel is beneficial for scouts at events and showcases.

Make sense?

Can you point to anybody who is an actual in a position to make a youth soccer decision suggesting any waivers or allowance outside of the prescribed 12 month period? I have only seen the opposite and am only familiar with MLSN's late developer loophole to get older kids on a team. Doesn't seem like exceptions are being discussed.

Here's why leagues and clubs will consider SY+60...

It's because if they don't there will still be an annoying group of trapped player parents complaining all the time.

Also, many clubs provide practice sessions for trapped players while their teammates are playing high school to keep them enagaed. This costs $$$ in both fields and coaches.

So.. less complains and less costs are why SY+60 will happen.

No one will consider this, it is a crazy idea that I am not sure why it is even a topic.
Ok maybe some rec leagues but once it get a little serious then this is dumb.

[Anonymous]

So 9/1+60 isn’t happening.

It doesn’t square with this from USSF:

“Scouting Clarity | Regardless of the registration choice, players will need to be scouted based on their birth year”
(Neither does SY for national league for that matter)

It absolutely doesn’t square with this:
“Alignment of Post-Season Play & Standalone Competitions | It is generally seen that for regular seasons serving as qualifiers for post-season competitions, those seasons should be on the same registration choice as the end-state competition (e.g., national championships); for standalone competitions not part of league play (e.g., showcases), member organizations will be responsible for working with the competition organizers on clearly communicating the approved registration choice”
(Neither does TWO SY options…August kids will get trapped AND dropped for post season play)

This is such a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is basically what you’re talking about

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

which makes a lot of sense and captures the most people within their grade and allows the late summer kids to play with their grade if they started school later. If you’re a Sept 2 kid and a grade ahead, you’d be playing with the grade below, but could play up if the team will have you. There is a much smaller group of kids who are past Sept 1 that are a full year ahead, and a much, much larger group of late summer birthdays who started school later (those July/Aug kids).

No, 9/1 +60 is different in that it doesn't allow players born 60 days before 9/1 to play in X grouping unless they're enrolled in that grade in school.

What this does is address ALL trapped players. But at the same time guarantee that all players on a team in a grouping are X grade in school. Which is what all the SY people feel is beneficial for scouts at events and showcases.

Make sense?

Can you point to anybody who is an actual in a position to make a youth soccer decision suggesting any waivers or allowance outside of the prescribed 12 month period? I have only seen the opposite and am only familiar with MLSN's late developer loophole to get older kids on a team. Doesn't seem like exceptions are being discussed.

Here's why leagues and clubs will consider SY+60...

It's because if they don't there will still be an annoying group of trapped player parents complaining all the time.

Also, many clubs provide practice sessions for trapped players while their teammates are playing high school to keep them enagaed. This costs $$$ in both fields and coaches.

So.. less complains and less costs are why SY+60 will happen.

The best (and probably only) reason leagues would consider SY+60 is because it’s stupid and overly complicated. Leagues like to do stupid stuff, and overly complicated things make them feel like they’re being smart, and lots of stupid people see overly complicated stuff as “must be smart.”

SY+60 is exactly the sort of thing that dumb people think is smart. It’s the Paul Ryan of age cutoffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is basically what you’re talking about

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

which makes a lot of sense and captures the most people within their grade and allows the late summer kids to play with their grade if they started school later. If you’re a Sept 2 kid and a grade ahead, you’d be playing with the grade below, but could play up if the team will have you. There is a much smaller group of kids who are past Sept 1 that are a full year ahead, and a much, much larger group of late summer birthdays who started school later (those July/Aug kids).

No, 9/1 +60 is different in that it doesn't allow players born 60 days before 9/1 to play in X grouping unless they're enrolled in that grade in school.

What this does is address ALL trapped players. But at the same time guarantee that all players on a team in a grouping are X grade in school. Which is what all the SY people feel is beneficial for scouts at events and showcases.

Make sense?

Can you point to anybody who is an actual in a position to make a youth soccer decision suggesting any waivers or allowance outside of the prescribed 12 month period? I have only seen the opposite and am only familiar with MLSN's late developer loophole to get older kids on a team. Doesn't seem like exceptions are being discussed.

Here's why leagues and clubs will consider SY+60...

It's because if they don't there will still be an annoying group of trapped player parents complaining all the time.

Also, many clubs provide practice sessions for trapped players while their teammates are playing high school to keep them enagaed. This costs $$$ in both fields and coaches.

So.. less complains and less costs are why SY+60 will happen.

No one will consider this, it is a crazy idea that I am not sure why it is even a topic.
Ok maybe some rec leagues but once it get a little serious then this is dumb.

You've provided nothing to back up your statement and called SY+90 dumb. Good job your feedback is meaningless.

The US Youth Soccer guy literally called out what Lacrosse was doing with groupings as something they were looking at.

SY+60 is just a variation of the Lacrosse 14 month grouping. The difference is players born 7/1 + 8/1 can only play with their group if they're enrolled in that grade at school. What this does is guarantee all players on the field will always be a certain grade in school. Which most of the SY people think is a benefit for scouting.

[Anonymous]

“The US Youth Soccer guy literally called out what Lacrosse was doing with groupings as something they were looking at.” When did he say that? I missed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The US Youth Soccer guy literally called out what Lacrosse was doing with groupings as something they were looking at.” When did he say that? I missed it.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=U7a2NFoEpJ0NY-py

1:45

[Anonymous]

Under ECNL rules, can a player play ECNL U18/19 while taking a “gap year” after graduating from high school and before enrolling in college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The US Youth Soccer guy literally called out what Lacrosse was doing with groupings as something they were looking at.” When did he say that? I missed it.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=U7a2NFoEpJ0NY-py

1:45

Now I see why you missed. He didn't say it.

No mention of expanding a 12 month age grouping, only that calendar year cutoffs lowers soccer participation by pushing kids to other sports, like lacrosse.