Leve 3 v 4

[Anonymous]

Do offers for Level IV center go out first?
And then if accepted create more openings for Level III?

[Anonymous]

Level IV decisions are made by a central selection committee. Level III decisions are made by the school.

[Anonymous]

Are you at a LLIV school? If so, they will fill the LLIV class first with kids who are LIV eligible. Sometime in the late spring or over the summer, they will invite high achieving LIII kids to join the LLIV class if they need to fill space in the class.

If you're not at a LLIV, there is no such thing as creating more openings for anything.

[Anonymous]

There's no limits on the number of kids who can be in any given level of AAP. So there's no "openings."

[Anonymous]

So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

[Anonymous]

Level 3 is just pull outs a few times per month. It can be 5 kids or 25 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

I mean...even this isn't really the case at all schools. Ours is local LIV and the open spots are filled with ANY kid who has demonstrated the need (via pre-test and other data points). So, our level IV math class, for example, is a combo of Level IV, III, and II (and maybe even Level I who haven't been identified yet).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

I mean...even this isn't really the case at all schools. Ours is local LIV and the open spots are filled with ANY kid who has demonstrated the need (via pre-test and other data points). So, our level IV math class, for example, is a combo of Level IV, III, and II (and maybe even Level I who haven't been identified yet).

I wish my kid had been at your school. I made the mistake of moving into a center school neighborhood. My kid is bright and in advanced math and reads above grade level but has not been found eligible for Level III or Level IV. Lesson for families moving to FCPS - pls don’t make the mistake of moving into
center school area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

I mean...even this isn't really the case at all schools. Ours is local LIV and the open spots are filled with ANY kid who has demonstrated the need (via pre-test and other data points). So, our level IV math class, for example, is a combo of Level IV, III, and II (and maybe even Level I who haven't been identified yet).

I wish my kid had been at your school. I made the mistake of moving into a center school neighborhood. My kid is bright and in advanced math and reads above grade level but has not been found eligible for Level III or Level IV. Lesson for families moving to FCPS - pls don’t make the mistake of moving into
center school area.

One of the reason I love local level IV is the fluidity with which students can move between classes. At our school, all kids get the advanced science and history curriculum and the math and LA classes are the ones that are sorted out based on ability. LIV kids are guaranteed a spot in the advanced math and LA classes but other kids can be there too based on their ability. The only downside to the fluidity is my kid could be in the Level IV class one year for math and not the next. So there's no guarantee. That's the only reason I'm going for the Level IV "label." It's the only way to make sure my kid stays in the advanced math that she's in.

[Anonymous]

Which school? Are all local Level IVs like this? Just curious. We already spent $$$$s moving from out of state to here. Currently renting but cannot afford to move anytime soon to a local level IV area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

I mean...even this isn't really the case at all schools. Ours is local LIV and the open spots are filled with ANY kid who has demonstrated the need (via pre-test and other data points). So, our level IV math class, for example, is a combo of Level IV, III, and II (and maybe even Level I who haven't been identified yet).

I wish my kid had been at your school. I made the mistake of moving into a center school neighborhood. My kid is bright and in advanced math and reads above grade level but has not been found eligible for Level III or Level IV. Lesson for families moving to FCPS - pls don’t make the mistake of moving into
center school area.

One of the reason I love local level IV is the fluidity with which students can move between classes. At our school, all kids get the advanced science and history curriculum and the math and LA classes are the ones that are sorted out based on ability. LIV kids are guaranteed a spot in the advanced math and LA classes but other kids can be there too based on their ability. The only downside to the fluidity is my kid could be in the Level IV class one year for math and not the next. So there's no guarantee. That's the only reason I'm going for the Level IV "label." It's the only way to make sure my kid stays in the advanced math that she's in.

+1. Sounds exactly like our school. For advanced math, as long as kids are performing okay and there's agreement between the teachers and parents they should be there, they'll continue on that track (for lack of a better word) every year. That applies to the Level IV kids also -- they're not forced to stay in advanced math if it's moving too fast for them and can join the Gen Ed classes for just that subject.

We were renting in a center school neighborhood and I'm SO glad we didn't buy there. I now have 1 DC in Level IV, 1 DC in Level III for advanced LA and advanced math, 1 in advanced math, and 1 who will probably remain in Level I. The LLIV model is the only type of school where all 4 of my kids needs are met well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which school? Are all local Level IVs like this? Just curious. We already spent $$$$s moving from out of state to here. Currently renting but cannot afford to move anytime soon to a local level IV area.

No, unfortunately they are not. Each LLIV will do their own thing. They only way to know is to talk to the school administration. We are at Stenwood and this year we had a much bigger than anticipated number of kids decide to stay rather than go to the center school. It was too many for one class, so they divided it into 2 and filled the remaining 5-7 spots with very capable Level III students. It is my understanding the Level III kids will remain with the AAP class as long as they are able to handle the academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So: if School A has level 3 and offers 20 for Level 3 and also has 5 of those 20 offered for level 4
Then
If the 5 do not accept there is a class of 25 level 3
If the 5 do accept, then there is a class of 15 level 3

There have to be some kind of limits and #s massaging as otherwise you could have
a class of 5 at level 3 and 27 at level 4 in extremes

There are no "Level 3" classrooms in any FCPS school. Level III kids are mixed into regular classrooms and receive pull outs. If there are only 5 level III kids, they may cluster them in one classroom, but it's still just a pull out for those kids. They won't add any kids to the pull out group.

OP, is your school an AAP center, a Local Level IV school, or a school with neither? That will change how schools handle things. For the AAP center and the schools with no AAP LIV, the LIII and LII kids are mixed into the regular classrooms with everyone else. The LIII kids usually get a weekly pull out with the AART. The top math kids are placed into advanced math classes. There are no slots to fill, and no kids will get bumped up to Level III.

If you're at a school with a Local Level IV, then there will be a target number of kids in the AAP class. After placing all of the LIV kids there, they will fill the remaining spots with LIII kids. Again, if LIII kids are accepted into LIV, that doesn't create any LIII slots. If some of those newly accepted LIV kids decide to attend the center, then there may be additional slots in the LLIV classroom for the principal to place high achieving LIII kids.

I mean...even this isn't really the case at all schools. Ours is local LIV and the open spots are filled with ANY kid who has demonstrated the need (via pre-test and other data points). So, our level IV math class, for example, is a combo of Level IV, III, and II (and maybe even Level I who haven't been identified yet).

I wish my kid had been at your school. I made the mistake of moving into a center school neighborhood. My kid is bright and in advanced math and reads above grade level but has not been found eligible for Level III or Level IV. Lesson for families moving to FCPS - pls don’t make the mistake of moving into
center school area.

One of the reason I love local level IV is the fluidity with which students can move between classes. At our school, all kids get the advanced science and history curriculum and the math and LA classes are the ones that are sorted out based on ability. LIV kids are guaranteed a spot in the advanced math and LA classes but other kids can be there too based on their ability. The only downside to the fluidity is my kid could be in the Level IV class one year for math and not the next. So there's no guarantee. That's the only reason I'm going for the Level IV "label." It's the only way to make sure my kid stays in the advanced math that she's in.

+1. Sounds exactly like our school. For advanced math, as long as kids are performing okay and there's agreement between the teachers and parents they should be there, they'll continue on that track (for lack of a better word) every year. That applies to the Level IV kids also -- they're not forced to stay in advanced math if it's moving too fast for them and can join the Gen Ed classes for just that subject.

We were renting in a center school neighborhood and I'm SO glad we didn't buy there. I now have 1 DC in Level IV, 1 DC in Level III for advanced LA and advanced math, 1 in advanced math, and 1 who will probably remain in Level I. The LLIV model is the only type of school where all 4 of my kids needs are met well.

We live in an area with NO LLIV at any base schools and a center school with really small Level IV classes even though there's a bunch of feeders. Level III services are few and far between until 5th grade, when kids can take advanced math if they test in. I really wish FCPS would standardize offerings more!

[Anonymous]

At our AAP center school there is no formal Level 3. It's just differentiation in work by the classroom teacher. If you want anything more than that you have to get into Level 4.