Hilaria Baldwin - At it again

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Anonymous wrote:You know what? I was just thinking about the things I remember being said about Britney Spears on gossip sites (remember The Superficial?), up until "Leave Britney Alone!" happened. I feel really bad about that now because it turned out Britney did have severe mental health issues. I bet she used to look at those things that were being said about her and it must have been terrible.

And I also remember some pretty horrific things being said about Amy Winehouse, who was also clearly a tortured soul.

I'm not saying Hillary didn't lie, but at this point, I think we should back off. We can see she has some mental health issues. And that for the rest of her life, this thing will be attached to her name. Isn't that enough? You wouldn't point and mock a mentally disturbed person on the street, demanding that they acknowledge their condition and apologize for their actions, right?

It doesn't matter if she apologizes. It is enough that WE recongize she has some mental health issues. I think that we have a duty of care toward someone we know isn't well, and we should stop posting things that are going to make her feel worse.

I had bulimia for many years, too. A big part of that was finding a way to just silence the bad feelings, for a short time (also body image issues, but the other thing too). I will say that I'm "cured" now, but that old disordered part of my mind that made me vomit until my heart races is still there, and sometimes, when I'm super stressed or something in my life is difficult and I can't make it go away, I have to try mightily hard to suppress the urge to fall back into those old habits. I am worried that the stress and shame of reading all these things online could push Hillary back into that territory. I know it would do that to me.

So again, I think we. need to reassess this. We see she's mentally unwell, so we should back off so as to avoid hurting her more.

That's what I think anyway. I am not Hillary or Alec, either.






Alec lives with her and often claims she is the most mentally healthy person he's ever met. He said this as recently as the latest boss baby premier, about a month ago. That's a huge statement on many levels, and perhaps an odd one, but I would trust the people around her to be better at assessing her mental wellness than random people reading her insta posts. I don't think she is mentally unwell. According to Alec, she is practically enlightened. I think she just enjoys protecting an image she thinks is exotic and sexy.
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I would not rely on a mentally unstable person with major anger problems and narcissistic tendencies to decipher for me who is or is not mentally well. Not personal or anything.
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Alec is a pervert defender, a sadist, creep, racist, bigot, liar, child abuser. We live in a misogynistic patriarchy that lets him off the hook because he's a $60million man. Meanwhile, every part of Hillary's body is critiqued and the real victims are the kids being sold to highest bidder. Hillary posts creepy pictures of Carmen to try to make her look taller/sexy to presumably make $ off her. Who will stop these people from exploiting and violating the privacy of these vulnerable children? Someone on Reddit called Carmen a prostitot. That site is nasty.
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Anonymous wrote:Alec is a pervert defender, a sadist, creep, racist, bigot, liar, child abuser. We live in a misogynistic patriarchy that lets him off the hook because he's a $60million man. Meanwhile, every part of Hillary's body is critiqued and the real victims are the kids being sold to highest bidder. Hillary posts creepy pictures of Carmen to try to make her look taller/sexy to presumably make $ off her. Who will stop these people from exploiting and violating the privacy of these vulnerable children? Someone on Reddit called Carmen a prostitot. That site is nasty.


Well, yeah. I do think Hillary's lies were absurd, and I don't think she is a mentally healthy individual who is making the best choices in many areas. But that subReddit has convinced me that slinging anonymous online insults and vitriol about this woman is not healthy for anybody. First, I don't think it is helpful to Hillary herself: many of the most rabid of critics claim their posts are OK because they want to "hold her accountable" or somehow crusade for her children. But that isn't how you help or support a mentally ill person. Someone on this thread posted that Hillary should just get off of social media if she doesn't want to read about herself, but...that's difficult enough for mentally healthy people.

All I'm saying is that reading that subReddit started to make me feel very uncomfortable. People there are referring to Hillary as b**** and they sound so hateful and, quite frankly, some sound obsessed in an unhinged sort of way. It reminds me of a group of teenaged mean girls gossiping about someone: you start to see that many of the participants forget that they are talking about a human being at all because they are so caught up in belonging and feeling part of a group.

And we do know that celebrities are on social media. This woman may very well be reading the things posted about her. We know that online bullying has harmful consequences to vulnerable people, and nobody is going to get anything positive from this.

I just don't think there is a way for Hillary to make the lies go away. She can't make people forget them because she is semi-famous, and the details will remain online forever: her children will read these things some day. That must be a horrible thing to live with and I don't imagine she's feeling very good about herself right now. The majority of posters are not medical professionals and I wish they would stop trying to justify their online bullying as someone "holding her accountable" or saving her children. I don't think there is anything Hillary could do or say at this point to make it right, so I think we should be a little compassionate.

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Anonymous wrote:Alec is a pervert defender, a sadist, creep, racist, bigot, liar, child abuser. We live in a misogynistic patriarchy that lets him off the hook because he's a $60million man. Meanwhile, every part of Hillary's body is critiqued and the real victims are the kids being sold to highest bidder. Hillary posts creepy pictures of Carmen to try to make her look taller/sexy to presumably make $ off her. Who will stop these people from exploiting and violating the privacy of these vulnerable children? Someone on Reddit called Carmen a prostitot. That site is nasty.


Well, yeah. I do think Hillary's lies were absurd, and I don't think she is a mentally healthy individual who is making the best choices in many areas. But that subReddit has convinced me that slinging anonymous online insults and vitriol about this woman is not healthy for anybody. First, I don't think it is helpful to Hillary herself: many of the most rabid of critics claim their posts are OK because they want to "hold her accountable" or somehow crusade for her children. But that isn't how you help or support a mentally ill person. Someone on this thread posted that Hillary should just get off of social media if she doesn't want to read about herself, but...that's difficult enough for mentally healthy people.

All I'm saying is that reading that subReddit started to make me feel very uncomfortable. People there are referring to Hillary as b**** and they sound so hateful and, quite frankly, some sound obsessed in an unhinged sort of way. It reminds me of a group of teenaged mean girls gossiping about someone: you start to see that many of the participants forget that they are talking about a human being at all because they are so caught up in belonging and feeling part of a group.

And we do know that celebrities are on social media. This woman may very well be reading the things posted about her. We know that online bullying has harmful consequences to vulnerable people, and nobody is going to get anything positive from this.

I just don't think there is a way for Hillary to make the lies go away. She can't make people forget them because she is semi-famous, and the details will remain online forever: her children will read these things some day. That must be a horrible thing to live with and I don't imagine she's feeling very good about herself right now. The majority of posters are not medical professionals and I wish they would stop trying to justify their online bullying as someone "holding her accountable" or saving her children. I don't think there is anything Hillary could do or say at this point to make it right, so I think we should be a little compassionate.



I agree that the reddit site has jumped the shark. There's also a fanatic determination to prove that Hillary has lied about virtually everything. And maybe she has, but there are better hobbies than analyzing all of Hillary's photos for proof of other fraudulent claims. I stopped being comfortable reading that site.

But that doesn't make Hillary insane, narcissistic, cluster b personality disorder, borderline, or in the throes of an eating disorder. We really don't know what's driving her to lie. And honestly, we probably shouldn't keep thinking about this. That would be much easier if Hillary stopped whipping up press to cover her various self-inflicted and self-imagined scandals. But, I don't think this is healthy for either Hillary or her gawkers. And as someone in the gawker category, the only person I can change is myself, so I'm going to stop reading about her.
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Anonymous wrote:Hi, to the prior poster w the Baldwin photo in the “georgeous fabric”: the post is off point, is non relevant. She cheated for 10 years publicly about Spanish birth and Spanish heritage and Spanish as a first language. Due to that lie she got status and such things as this opportunity on the red carpet for the orange dress photo. So this photo just reawakens bad memories in your audience. A photo like that just makes people think that something sd be done. The last thing people think upon seeing that photo, and knowing about the Spain smuggle, is that nothing sd be done.


Be done?


Be Best


It’s damn bizarre. Lots of villagers with torches here. The woman is awful but the obsession with a “grift” correction is loony. She’s essentially cancelled already. I’m not sure what is to be done externally to her own actions. Quit promoting her via this convo and the extremely absurd ones on Reddit. No one outside your anti fan club cares.


If you don’t care then why are you posting? I’m intrigued by this narcissistic lying woman and will post about her as much as I want.
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Anonymous wrote:Hi, to the prior poster w the Baldwin photo in the “georgeous fabric”: the post is off point, is non relevant. She cheated for 10 years publicly about Spanish birth and Spanish heritage and Spanish as a first language. Due to that lie she got status and such things as this opportunity on the red carpet for the orange dress photo. So this photo just reawakens bad memories in your audience. A photo like that just makes people think that something sd be done. The last thing people think upon seeing that photo, and knowing about the Spain smuggle, is that nothing sd be done.


Be done?


Be Best


It’s damn bizarre. Lots of villagers with torches here. The woman is awful but the obsession with a “grift” correction is loony. She’s essentially cancelled already. I’m not sure what is to be done externally to her own actions. Quit promoting her via this convo and the extremely absurd ones on Reddit. No one outside your anti fan club cares.


If you don’t care then why are you posting? I’m intrigued by this narcissistic lying woman and will post about her as much as I want.


I remember when my ds was in high school and he told me that girls would make Snapchat groups just for the purpose of writing hateful things about another girl. You sound like someone with that kind of mentality.

But serious question: what if you woke up tomorrow and learned that this woman had committed suicide, or otherwise hurt herself? Would you regret your actions or would you just double down on how pathetic she is? I would love to hear a serious answer to this.
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Anonymous wrote:Hi, to the prior poster w the Baldwin photo in the “georgeous fabric”: the post is off point, is non relevant. She cheated for 10 years publicly about Spanish birth and Spanish heritage and Spanish as a first language. Due to that lie she got status and such things as this opportunity on the red carpet for the orange dress photo. So this photo just reawakens bad memories in your audience. A photo like that just makes people think that something sd be done. The last thing people think upon seeing that photo, and knowing about the Spain smuggle, is that nothing sd be done.


Be done?


Be Best


It’s damn bizarre. Lots of villagers with torches here. The woman is awful but the obsession with a “grift” correction is loony. She’s essentially cancelled already. I’m not sure what is to be done externally to her own actions. Quit promoting her via this convo and the extremely absurd ones on Reddit. No one outside your anti fan club cares.


If you don’t care then why are you posting? I’m intrigued by this narcissistic lying woman and will post about her as much as I want.


I remember when my ds was in high school and he told me that girls would make Snapchat groups just for the purpose of writing hateful things about another girl. You sound like someone with that kind of mentality.

But serious question: what if you woke up tomorrow and learned that this woman had committed suicide, or otherwise hurt herself? Would you regret your actions or would you just double down on how pathetic she is? I would love to hear a serious answer to this.


DP but I'll answer. I would feel awful, but not responsible. I've known people who committed suicide and they were all involved in things they shouldn't have been. And in all cases, they continued to make bad choices despite numerous off-ramp opportunities to get back on the right path. Hillary is going this direction. She does refuse to right the wrongs and change her course. Having seen this in my own life, I know that it doesn't end well. I would hesitate it's the fault of the people calling them out, though. For example, one guy who I know committed suicide and was involved in an affair. Was it wrong for his wife to call him out? No. He was screwing up at work. Was it wrong for his workplace to call him out? No. But the lack of humility-- the lack of ability to say, yeah, I screwed up and I am sorry about that and don't want to be this kind of person-- that is common among all the suicide cases I've seen. I think it's a bit unfair to say that people who are frustrated with their behavior are wrong for calling them out. Ultimately suicide is only the fault of the person who does it. Hillary could shut this down immediately by just saying, you know what? Yeah, I did it. I didn't realize it would be a big deal. I thought it would make me more likeable. Haven't we all fudged a bit at one time or another to be more likeable? And everyone would nod and the furor would die down. Instead, she's out there providing provocation after provocation. And then when people react, it makes those people bad? Sorry, that isn't how this works. For Hillary's sake, she needs to get on the right side of the law.
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Anonymous wrote:Hi, to the prior poster w the Baldwin photo in the “georgeous fabric”: the post is off point, is non relevant. She cheated for 10 years publicly about Spanish birth and Spanish heritage and Spanish as a first language. Due to that lie she got status and such things as this opportunity on the red carpet for the orange dress photo. So this photo just reawakens bad memories in your audience. A photo like that just makes people think that something sd be done. The last thing people think upon seeing that photo, and knowing about the Spain smuggle, is that nothing sd be done.


Be done?


Be Best


It’s damn bizarre. Lots of villagers with torches here. The woman is awful but the obsession with a “grift” correction is loony. She’s essentially cancelled already. I’m not sure what is to be done externally to her own actions. Quit promoting her via this convo and the extremely absurd ones on Reddit. No one outside your anti fan club cares.


If you don’t care then why are you posting? I’m intrigued by this narcissistic lying woman and will post about her as much as I want.


I remember when my ds was in high school and he told me that girls would make Snapchat groups just for the purpose of writing hateful things about another girl. You sound like someone with that kind of mentality.

But serious question: what if you woke up tomorrow and learned that this woman had committed suicide, or otherwise hurt herself? Would you regret your actions or would you just double down on how pathetic she is? I would love to hear a serious answer to this.


DP but I'll answer. I would feel awful, but not responsible. I've known people who committed suicide and they were all involved in things they shouldn't have been. And in all cases, they continued to make bad choices despite numerous off-ramp opportunities to get back on the right path. Hillary is going this direction. She does refuse to right the wrongs and change her course. Having seen this in my own life, I know that it doesn't end well. I would hesitate it's the fault of the people calling them out, though. For example, one guy who I know committed suicide and was involved in an affair. Was it wrong for his wife to call him out? No. He was screwing up at work. Was it wrong for his workplace to call him out? No. But the lack of humility-- the lack of ability to say, yeah, I screwed up and I am sorry about that and don't want to be this kind of person-- that is common among all the suicide cases I've seen. I think it's a bit unfair to say that people who are frustrated with their behavior are wrong for calling them out. Ultimately suicide is only the fault of the person who does it. Hillary could shut this down immediately by just saying, you know what? Yeah, I did it. I didn't realize it would be a big deal. I thought it would make me more likeable. Haven't we all fudged a bit at one time or another to be more likeable? And everyone would nod and the furor would die down. Instead, she's out there providing provocation after provocation. And then when people react, it makes those people bad? Sorry, that isn't how this works. For Hillary's sake, she needs to get on the right side of the law.


Yeah, the people who are posting things like this are not not "reacting" in a healthy or acceptable way:

"She is a caricature & parody--here for our mocking and entertainment"

"I hate her"

It took me less than two minutes to pull those quotes out of the comments on the subReddit. And there are many more like this.

This is not idle commentary on a celebrity. To me, this kind of thing crosses a line.

As I noted, I think what she did was terrible. Initially, I was even posting snarky comments myself. But something changed for me when I kept seeing these kind of comments posted.

Not everybody--or even almost everybody--who commits suicide is "involved in things they shouldn't have been", but we do know that bullying, including cyberbullying, of vulnerable people HAS resulted in suicides. At some point, why would you NOT refrain from doing something that you know could be hurtful to a vulnerable or mentally unwell person?

I just think it isn't right and a line has been crossed. In the beginning, it was reaction to the facts of the situation, but it has devolved into something much uglier, and people are acting as if they know the poor woman.
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I think a small handful of individuals have devolved this past a point of acceptability, probably mostly on that subreddit. Ultimately the vast majority of people just think she is ridiculous and a liar. That’s all.

People gawk because she is like a car crash. I agree with the posters who say they are not looking anymore.

I’ve stopped visiting her ig because the images and messages are truly sickening a lot of the time. In a really low key cringe way. The woman is very sick. Yea, I don’t know how exactly but most anyone’s intuition and radar will tell them something is not right with her.

She is her own source. The way she presents herself and behaves she is canceling herself. She doesn’t need the help of the public to do this. But all she does is blame everyone else.
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Anonymous wrote:I think a small handful of individuals have devolved this past a point of acceptability, probably mostly on that subreddit. Ultimately the vast majority of people just think she is ridiculous and a liar. That’s all.

People gawk because she is like a car crash. I agree with the posters who say they are not looking anymore.

I’ve stopped visiting her ig because the images and messages are truly sickening a lot of the time. In a really low key cringe way. The woman is very sick. Yea, I don’t know how exactly but most anyone’s intuition and radar will tell them something is not right with her.

She is her own source. The way she presents herself and behaves she is canceling herself. She doesn’t need the help of the public to do this. But all she does is blame everyone else.


+1

And she clearly doesn't have a good support network. She needs to set her IG to private and keep her babies' pictures for her family only. She needs good friends and family to check in with her and help her come to peace with what has happened, and to help her break away from social media.
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Anonymous wrote:Hi, to the prior poster w the Baldwin photo in the “georgeous fabric”: the post is off point, is non relevant. She cheated for 10 years publicly about Spanish birth and Spanish heritage and Spanish as a first language. Due to that lie she got status and such things as this opportunity on the red carpet for the orange dress photo. So this photo just reawakens bad memories in your audience. A photo like that just makes people think that something sd be done. The last thing people think upon seeing that photo, and knowing about the Spain smuggle, is that nothing sd be done.


Be done?


Be Best


It’s damn bizarre. Lots of villagers with torches here. The woman is awful but the obsession with a “grift” correction is loony. She’s essentially cancelled already. I’m not sure what is to be done externally to her own actions. Quit promoting her via this convo and the extremely absurd ones on Reddit. No one outside your anti fan club cares.


If you don’t care then why are you posting? I’m intrigued by this narcissistic lying woman and will post about her as much as I want.


I remember when my ds was in high school and he told me that girls would make Snapchat groups just for the purpose of writing hateful things about another girl. You sound like someone with that kind of mentality.

But serious question: what if you woke up tomorrow and learned that this woman had committed suicide, or otherwise hurt herself? Would you regret your actions or would you just double down on how pathetic she is? I would love to hear a serious answer to this.


My serious answer is that she claims to be a happy, healthy, successful woman. Why would she be committing suicide? Do you think you know her better than she knows herself? On what basis?

I think maybe you should grow up a little and realize that this is real life, not high school. If you as a grown adult post all sorts of bizarre stuff on social media, people might talk about you. If she doesn’t want my opinion, it’s really easy for her to avoid it. There’s so many people deserving of sympathy in the world, and you spend your time worrying about some rich pretty lady in the Hamptons who likes to lie and exploit her children. Couldn’t be me.
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Way way too much thought (and time) is being put into this analysis.
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Anonymous wrote:Way way too much thought (and time) is being put into this analysis.


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