ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ

No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..

So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.

Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.

No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.

What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.

Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?

The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment

How are they “rec minded?”

They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.

Very true
The entitlement clique posse

At higher levels, clubs find themselves going to surrounding communities to be able to compete. Sure you could have a close-knit, parent-controlled squad. They won't be winning very much, tho, unless the parents keep the team at the lowest levels in order to win.

This is what the BY people are talking about.

SY creates a link with a school grade. This encourages parernt controlling behavior on teams.

Also I agree with you about controlling parent cliques creating losses. My oldest had to put up with this kind of cr@p for multiple years. It was frustrating watching the losses pile up.

It’s even worse for the playing up. My kid has always played up a year or two, and the kids used to love it because she’d win for them. Then the parents started to get bitter, then the kids did too. YNT has been a godsend, because her club team is just awful due to parent cliques that resent her for “taking their kids playing time” and “thinking she is better than she is” 🫠

Well, let her play with girls on age and see if she can make some friends. Sounds like this might be better for her. I'm sure you'll figure something out, good luck.

You're suggesting that a player that is doing well playing a year or two up should stop doing that because parents on those teams don't like it?

This is exactly why you don't want to link club level with grade level for competitive teams.

This is exactly why BY leagues will draw higher levels of play then SY over time.

You were on target until you brought in this is why BY is better. Since you can play up in both scenarios neither "draws" a higher level of play. The league that provides the most for their customers will win out.

Win what?

The most customers.

But not the most competitive customers that they hope to keep. Jumping ship is already loading …

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ

No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..

So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.

Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.

No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.

What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.

Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?

The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment

How are they “rec minded?”

They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.

Very true
The entitlement clique posse

At higher levels, clubs find themselves going to surrounding communities to be able to compete. Sure you could have a close-knit, parent-controlled squad. They won't be winning very much, tho, unless the parents keep the team at the lowest levels in order to win.

This is what the BY people are talking about.

SY creates a link with a school grade. This encourages parernt controlling behavior on teams.

Also I agree with you about controlling parent cliques creating losses. My oldest had to put up with this kind of cr@p for multiple years. It was frustrating watching the losses pile up.

It’s even worse for the playing up. My kid has always played up a year or two, and the kids used to love it because she’d win for them. Then the parents started to get bitter, then the kids did too. YNT has been a godsend, because her club team is just awful due to parent cliques that resent her for “taking their kids playing time” and “thinking she is better than she is” 🫠

Well, let her play with girls on age and see if she can make some friends. Sounds like this might be better for her. I'm sure you'll figure something out, good luck.

You're suggesting that a player that is doing well playing a year or two up should stop doing that because parents on those teams don't like it?

This is exactly why you don't want to link club level with grade level for competitive teams.

This is exactly why BY leagues will draw higher levels of play then SY over time.

You were on target until you brought in this is why BY is better. Since you can play up in both scenarios neither "draws" a higher level of play. The league that provides the most for their customers will win out.

Win what?

The most customers.

But not the most competitive customers that they hope to keep. Jumping ship is already loading …

Only in your imagination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

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Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

Given they are delaying this a year to supposedly come up with a good solution hopefully they can be creative and come up with a good one.

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Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

Given they are delaying this a year to supposedly come up with a good solution hopefully they can be creative and come up with a good one.

Exactly. If nothing else, the responses they received should have highlighted the nuances involved.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

Given they are delaying this a year to supposedly come up with a good solution hopefully they can be creative and come up with a good one.

9/1 + allowing 60 days before if you prove your enrolled in X grade is what will happen.

From a club perspective it's easy to implement because proof of grade will be put on parents.

From a league perspective it's easy to implement because a single rule works with all states + doesn't allow playing down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

Given they are delaying this a year to supposedly come up with a good solution hopefully they can be creative and come up with a good one.

9/1 + allowing 60 days before if you prove your enrolled in X grade is what will happen.

From a club perspective it's easy to implement because proof of grade will be put on parents.

From a league perspective it's easy to implement because a single rule works with all states + doesn't allow playing down.

This has a slim chance of happening. They will go with a 12 month span and lock it down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are they really doing August to December?

I thought it was school year so September to December?

Nobody knows yet, and Skip Gilbert implied on a podcast the other day that for USYS at least it would likely vary state by state.

30 days is completely meaningless in my opinion, I would hope ECNL would just let it float state by state, or set it at September but allow for August kids to align with their grade.

I hope they just pick one date and go with that. The whole 30 or 60 before for waivers is not the way to go. If that’s the case make that the date and stick with it. Set the rule or standard and that is it.

It wouldn't be waivers. Players would just need to prove the grade level that they're enrolled in if it's 30 or 60 days before the cutoff.

The reason for this is you don't want players a grade older choosing to play down a grade.

My guess is the pick a date 8/1 or 9/1 and go with that, no waivers, no proving grade. It is the easiest to track just as it is now and how it was before. A 12 month time frame.

Given they are delaying this a year to supposedly come up with a good solution hopefully they can be creative and come up with a good one.

9/1 + allowing 60 days before if you prove your enrolled in X grade is what will happen.

From a club perspective it's easy to implement because proof of grade will be put on parents.

From a league perspective it's easy to implement because a single rule works with all states + doesn't allow playing down.

This has a slim chance of happening. They will go with a 12 month span and lock it down.

A 12 month span doesn't work if you want to have a single league that includes multiple districts that all start on different dates.

9/1 + 60 is what will happen.

[Anonymous]

They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

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Anonymous wrote:They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

I don't think they do. The US Youth Soccer guy hinted that they would be creating different rules to accommodate different districts/states. This will never work because districts change start dates all the time. Also it would be impossible to keep track of all the different states and school start dates to maintain up to date rules.

[Anonymous]

I personally favor BY but I'm telling all the SY people...

Call SY "9/1 + 60" as a marketing term.

9/1 + 60 gets rid of everything that makes SY annoying.

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Anonymous wrote:They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

I don't think they do. The US Youth Soccer guy hinted that they would be creating different rules to accommodate different districts/states. This will never work because districts change start dates all the time. Also it would be impossible to keep track of all the different states and school start dates to maintain up to date rules.

That is for local league. For national league, it can only have one cutoff date with no waivers. And ECNL CEO already hinted 9/1. I will bet my money on it.

[Anonymous]

People are damn stupid to think removing trap players is important. No it is not. ECNL's core customers are college coaches. They don't give a damn f**k to the marginal players who have to play down to be in the NL team with no recruiting chance. It will be 9/1 to reduce the most trapped players and that is it. For older kids who have to play down, no soup for you.

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Anonymous wrote:They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

I don't think they do. The US Youth Soccer guy hinted that they would be creating different rules to accommodate different districts/states. This will never work because districts change start dates all the time. Also it would be impossible to keep track of all the different states and school start dates to maintain up to date rules.

That is for local league. For national league, it can only have one cutoff date with no waivers. And ECNL CEO already hinted 9/1. I will bet my money on it.

Were you the same one in November betting your money that it will be school year starting 25/26? 🤣 I kid, I kid.


I think nationally there will have to be some flexibility along with a hard cutoff to encompass all states/districts that you have that make up these leagues. If the goal is to avoid trapped players and keep kids playing with their grades, then doing that is what solves that problem almost completely.

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Anonymous wrote:They already know what they are going to do at this point about age spans. They haven’t gotten this far and don’t know. So no amount of emailing them to allow this or that is going to matter.

I don't think they do. The US Youth Soccer guy hinted that they would be creating different rules to accommodate different districts/states. This will never work because districts change start dates all the time. Also it would be impossible to keep track of all the different states and school start dates to maintain up to date rules.

That is for local league. For national league, it can only have one cutoff date with no waivers. And ECNL CEO already hinted 9/1. I will bet my money on it.

We'll see, 9/1 + 60 gets rid of ALL complaints from parents + trapped players.

9/1 by itself still has trapped players depending on the state/district. Which means they'll still have a group of complaining parents.