ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment


How are they “rec minded?”


They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.


Very true
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Anonymous wrote:Someone said something earlier about lacrosse, and I think that’s a great place to look for age cutoff, etc. It made me google their cutoff and this is what it says:

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

15 month window that allows June/July/Aug to play with graduation year. Makes all the sense in the world and would eliminate trapped players and keeps kids in their grade.


Absolutely agree this 15-month approach would be a great solution. But US Soccer has already announced two SY options for fall 2026, with SY 8/1 cutoff or SY 9/1 cutoff. While it would be wonderful if additional, “creative” solutions like this were discussed/adopted at the big national meeting in late February, I doubt that happens. In which case 8/1 is the lesser evil of the 2 SY pathways offered.


That isn’t was USSF announced. They announced a BY and SY option, and the SY option is still being decided between 9/1 and 8/1.


Read it again and let me know what you think.


“ There is recognition that there are many leagues and clubs at the recreational level who currently organize around the school year – which could mean August 1 or September 1. Organizing around school year should be a local market / member decision”


“ Members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose between birth year or school year for the 2026-2027 season. We are conducting a thorough review of considerations and best practices to equip members, leagues, and clubs with making the right registration choice for the 2026-2027 season. This includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

BY or SY option. And they are unsure which SY option to prescribe….pretty straightforward.


Ehh, I sort of agree but also think there is flexibility in what they decide. If they’re going for a true school year option, it would seem that the release gives a league/association/etc. the leeway to do what they feel is best to accomplish their goal. That’s why it says they have reasonable flexibility with the suggestion of 8/1 and 9/1. But we will see what happens.


They didn’t use the word AND, they used OR.

And you can’t have national classic tournaments if some states are 9/1 and others are 8/1. Hence, why USSF said “or”
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Anonymous wrote:Someone said something earlier about lacrosse, and I think that’s a great place to look for age cutoff, etc. It made me google their cutoff and this is what it says:

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

15 month window that allows June/July/Aug to play with graduation year. Makes all the sense in the world and would eliminate trapped players and keeps kids in their grade.


Absolutely agree this 15-month approach would be a great solution. But US Soccer has already announced two SY options for fall 2026, with SY 8/1 cutoff or SY 9/1 cutoff. While it would be wonderful if additional, “creative” solutions like this were discussed/adopted at the big national meeting in late February, I doubt that happens. In which case 8/1 is the lesser evil of the 2 SY pathways offered.


That isn’t was USSF announced. They announced a BY and SY option, and the SY option is still being decided between 9/1 and 8/1.


Read it again and let me know what you think.


“ There is recognition that there are many leagues and clubs at the recreational level who currently organize around the school year – which could mean August 1 or September 1. Organizing around school year should be a local market / member decision”


“ Members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose between birth year or school year for the 2026-2027 season. We are conducting a thorough review of considerations and best practices to equip members, leagues, and clubs with making the right registration choice for the 2026-2027 season. This includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

BY or SY option. And they are unsure which SY option to prescribe….pretty straightforward.


Ehh, I sort of agree but also think there is flexibility in what they decide. If they’re going for a true school year option, it would seem that the release gives a league/association/etc. the leeway to do what they feel is best to accomplish their goal. That’s why it says they have reasonable flexibility with the suggestion of 8/1 and 9/1. But we will see what happens.


They didn’t use the word AND, they used OR.

And you can’t have national classic tournaments if some states are 9/1 and others are 8/1. Hence, why USSF said “or”


I’m not following you. The second part says “this includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

It acknowledges that states have different start dates and uses as an example “(8/1 vs 9/1)”.

In the first part it says that school year “could mean August 1 or September 1, and organizing around school year should be a local decision.”

No where does it say that there are only 3 options - BY, Aug 1 or Sept 1. Those are just the three most common options being discussed. It’s clear USSF wants to give individual leagues the discretion, with some guidance, to do what’s best for that league and market.
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Anonymous wrote:Someone said something earlier about lacrosse, and I think that’s a great place to look for age cutoff, etc. It made me google their cutoff and this is what it says:

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

15 month window that allows June/July/Aug to play with graduation year. Makes all the sense in the world and would eliminate trapped players and keeps kids in their grade.


Absolutely agree this 15-month approach would be a great solution. But US Soccer has already announced two SY options for fall 2026, with SY 8/1 cutoff or SY 9/1 cutoff. While it would be wonderful if additional, “creative” solutions like this were discussed/adopted at the big national meeting in late February, I doubt that happens. In which case 8/1 is the lesser evil of the 2 SY pathways offered.


That isn’t was USSF announced. They announced a BY and SY option, and the SY option is still being decided between 9/1 and 8/1.


Read it again and let me know what you think.


“ There is recognition that there are many leagues and clubs at the recreational level who currently organize around the school year – which could mean August 1 or September 1. Organizing around school year should be a local market / member decision”


“ Members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose between birth year or school year for the 2026-2027 season. We are conducting a thorough review of considerations and best practices to equip members, leagues, and clubs with making the right registration choice for the 2026-2027 season. This includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

BY or SY option. And they are unsure which SY option to prescribe….pretty straightforward.


Ehh, I sort of agree but also think there is flexibility in what they decide. If they’re going for a true school year option, it would seem that the release gives a league/association/etc. the leeway to do what they feel is best to accomplish their goal. That’s why it says they have reasonable flexibility with the suggestion of 8/1 and 9/1. But we will see what happens.


They didn’t use the word AND, they used OR.

And you can’t have national classic tournaments if some states are 9/1 and others are 8/1. Hence, why USSF said “or”


Of course you can. It’s 30 days difference! It’s meaningless.
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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Could it be because BY is in line with national and international standards? The most competitive players and teams are interested in a different level than what SY offers. But sounds like there may have to be a BY option too so maybe that’s how things will naturally divide? BY clubs & leagues will draw the most competitive players and SY will be less-competitive and rec-inclined. So hopefully everybody will be happy and find a place.


If your kid is not playing pro in Europe by the time they are 18…you wasted your time and money anyways. Should have just gone on nice trips instead of paying for Johnny to get those private lessons. And if your goal is to play college- that is essentially rec level anyways.
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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Could it be because BY is in line with national and international standards? The most competitive players and teams are interested in a different level than what SY offers. But sounds like there may have to be a BY option too so maybe that’s how things will naturally divide? BY clubs & leagues will draw the most competitive players and SY will be less-competitive and rec-inclined. So hopefully everybody will be happy and find a place.


If your kid is not playing pro in Europe by the time they are 18…you wasted your time and money anyways. Should have just gone on nice trips instead of paying for Johnny to get those private lessons. And if your goal is to play college- that is essentially rec level anyways.


This!

I don’t think many of our fellow top level soccer parents understand how bad college soccer actually is. And by extension, how bad top level American youth soccer actually is.
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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment


How are they “rec minded?”


They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.


Very true
The entitlement clique posse


At higher levels, clubs find themselves going to surrounding communities to be able to compete. Sure you could have a close-knit, parent-controlled squad. They won't be winning very much, tho, unless the parents keep the team at the lowest levels in order to win.
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Anonymous wrote:Someone said something earlier about lacrosse, and I think that’s a great place to look for age cutoff, etc. It made me google their cutoff and this is what it says:

https://www.usalacrosse.com/sites/default/files/documents/Games/USAL-AgeGroupChart-15mo-24-25.pdf

15 month window that allows June/July/Aug to play with graduation year. Makes all the sense in the world and would eliminate trapped players and keeps kids in their grade.


Absolutely agree this 15-month approach would be a great solution. But US Soccer has already announced two SY options for fall 2026, with SY 8/1 cutoff or SY 9/1 cutoff. While it would be wonderful if additional, “creative” solutions like this were discussed/adopted at the big national meeting in late February, I doubt that happens. In which case 8/1 is the lesser evil of the 2 SY pathways offered.


That isn’t was USSF announced. They announced a BY and SY option, and the SY option is still being decided between 9/1 and 8/1.


Read it again and let me know what you think.


“ There is recognition that there are many leagues and clubs at the recreational level who currently organize around the school year – which could mean August 1 or September 1. Organizing around school year should be a local market / member decision”


“ Members and leagues will have reasonable flexibility to choose between birth year or school year for the 2026-2027 season. We are conducting a thorough review of considerations and best practices to equip members, leagues, and clubs with making the right registration choice for the 2026-2027 season. This includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

BY or SY option. And they are unsure which SY option to prescribe….pretty straightforward.


Ehh, I sort of agree but also think there is flexibility in what they decide. If they’re going for a true school year option, it would seem that the release gives a league/association/etc. the leeway to do what they feel is best to accomplish their goal. That’s why it says they have reasonable flexibility with the suggestion of 8/1 and 9/1. But we will see what happens.


They didn’t use the word AND, they used OR.

And you can’t have national classic tournaments if some states are 9/1 and others are 8/1. Hence, why USSF said “or”


I’m not following you. The second part says “this includes understanding more about the implications between various school year start dates (e.g., 8/1 vs. 9/1) and how to resolve instances where teams organized with different registration calendars want to
compete.”

It acknowledges that states have different start dates and uses as an example “(8/1 vs 9/1)”.

In the first part it says that school year “could mean August 1 or September 1, and organizing around school year should be a local decision.”

No where does it say that there are only 3 options - BY, Aug 1 or Sept 1. Those are just the three most common options being discussed. It’s clear USSF wants to give individual leagues the discretion, with some guidance, to do what’s best for that league and market.
By focusing on the term "seasonal" year as opposed to "school" year, this may allow latitude within a league. For example ECNL could move to seasonal year and depending on the team (based on the state they are in), their team will register for a seasonal year that is informed by the school year. As someone mentioned, 30 days isnt material other than to the individual. This is why they would allow this type of latitude at the state/ district level.
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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Could it be because BY is in line with national and international standards? The most competitive players and teams are interested in a different level than what SY offers. But sounds like there may have to be a BY option too so maybe that’s how things will naturally divide? BY clubs & leagues will draw the most competitive players and SY will be less-competitive and rec-inclined. So hopefully everybody will be happy and find a place.


If your kid is not playing pro in Europe by the time they are 18…you wasted your time and money anyways. Should have just gone on nice trips instead of paying for Johnny to get those private lessons. And if your goal is to play college- that is essentially rec level anyways.
All of kid soccer is rec but at least college soccer can get you a decent education for your efforts.

But yeah, if you blocked your kids from playing other sports, didn't go on real vacations other than some made up random tournament in FL or NC, chased some league for bragging purposes, stressed your kids out about their performance to the point of disliking soccer and left them with so little free time that they couldn't make real friendships along the way then you were suckered by the youth soccer industry and have little to show for it.

A group wakes up around say U12 and then another group gets it around U15-16 so unless MLSN is able to convince at least say 30 percent of youth soccer to go BY, I don't see how BY doesn't go the way of the Dodo bird. MLSN moves to align with other leagues makes me think they agree.

Youth soccer in America doesn't have some glorious Academies with soup to nuts pro factories and it is shocking that some think it does. It is much more like a string along Ponzi scheme with a scouting element to find some random diamonds in the tough.

Not enough kids like soccer after being put through the sausage grinder that is America's version of youth soccer based on parents constant FOMO.

Opinions will differ and will violently be presented of course.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Could it be because BY is in line with national and international standards? The most competitive players and teams are interested in a different level than what SY offers. But sounds like there may have to be a BY option too so maybe that’s how things will naturally divide? BY clubs & leagues will draw the most competitive players and SY will be less-competitive and rec-inclined. So hopefully everybody will be happy and find a place.


If your kid is not playing pro in Europe by the time they are 18…you wasted your time and money anyways. Should have just gone on nice trips instead of paying for Johnny to get those private lessons. And if your goal is to play college- that is essentially rec level anyways.


Except for all the American players who left here after 18th birthday and are now Pros in Europe

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What other forums are discussing age change. It’s been mentioned here many times in the past 566 pages
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Socal soccer forum
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Could it be because BY is in line with national and international standards? The most competitive players and teams are interested in a different level than what SY offers. But sounds like there may have to be a BY option too so maybe that’s how things will naturally divide? BY clubs & leagues will draw the most competitive players and SY will be less-competitive and rec-inclined. So hopefully everybody will be happy and find a place.


If your kid is not playing pro in Europe by the time they are 18…you wasted your time and money anyways. Should have just gone on nice trips instead of paying for Johnny to get those private lessons. And if your goal is to play college- that is essentially rec level anyways.
All of kid soccer is rec but at least college soccer can get you a decent education for your efforts.

But yeah, if you blocked your kids from playing other sports, didn't go on real vacations other than some made up random tournament in FL or NC, chased some league for bragging purposes, stressed your kids out about their performance to the point of disliking soccer and left them with so little free time that they couldn't make real friendships along the way then you were suckered by the youth soccer industry and have little to show for it.

A group wakes up around say U12 and then another group gets it around U15-16 so unless MLSN is able to convince at least say 30 percent of youth soccer to go BY, I don't see how BY doesn't go the way of the Dodo bird. MLSN moves to align with other leagues makes me think they agree.

Youth soccer in America doesn't have some glorious Academies with soup to nuts pro factories and it is shocking that some think it does. It is much more like a string along Ponzi scheme with a scouting element to find some random diamonds in the tough.

Not enough kids like soccer after being put through the sausage grinder that is America's version of youth soccer based on parents constant FOMO.

Opinions will differ and will violently be presented of course.


You’re right, and both times that people have these epiphanies are when major team cuts or recruiting deadlines happen. So of course, the epiphany happens when reality smack him in the face.
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https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment


How are they “rec minded?”


They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.


Very true
The entitlement clique posse


At higher levels, clubs find themselves going to surrounding communities to be able to compete. Sure you could have a close-knit, parent-controlled squad. They won't be winning very much, tho, unless the parents keep the team at the lowest levels in order to win.

This is what the BY people are talking about.

SY creates a link with a school grade. This encourages parernt controlling behavior on teams.

Also I agree with you about controlling parent cliques creating losses. My oldest had to put up with this kind of cr@p for multiple years. It was frustrating watching the losses pile up.
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No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment


How are they “rec minded?”


They are pushing for little Timmy to play with his cafeteria buddy on the same team

It's more than that.

Certain parents want to make youth soccer their social outlet. They want to keep their kids on the same teams as kids in their grade at school which is also a parent social outlet + where they spend their time on the PTA.

All of this is done so they can have a tight social circle. With a tight social circle they can control the team working as a group going as far as telling the coach who makes the team and who doesn't.


Very true
The entitlement clique posse


At higher levels, clubs find themselves going to surrounding communities to be able to compete. Sure you could have a close-knit, parent-controlled squad. They won't be winning very much, tho, unless the parents keep the team at the lowest levels in order to win.

This is what the BY people are talking about.

SY creates a link with a school grade. This encourages parernt controlling behavior on teams.

Also I agree with you about controlling parent cliques creating losses. My oldest had to put up with this kind of cr@p for multiple years. It was frustrating watching the losses pile up.


It’s even worse for the playing up. My kid has always played up a year or two, and the kids used to love it because she’d win for them. Then the parents started to get bitter, then the kids did too. YNT has been a godsend, because her club team is just awful due to parent cliques that resent her for “taking their kids playing time” and “thinking she is better than she is” 🫠
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