ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No kids/parents with ambitions play youth soccer?
College and Professional players are ready-made adults?


Straight from the womb into the Academy.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No kids/parents with ambitions play youth soccer?
College and Professional players are ready-made adults?
They all played rec soccer as kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No kids/parents with ambitions play youth soccer?
College and Professional players are ready-made adults?
They all played rec soccer as kids.


560+ pages about U6 to U8?
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


Same people that call college soccer rec soccer.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No kids/parents with ambitions play youth soccer?
College and Professional players are ready-made adults?


Straight from the womb into the Academy.
Say what you will about American's ability to foist marketing onto the population but damn if it never falls to work.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.


To be fair, some people’s 8 year olds ARE going to go pro.

I get the point people are making when they say things like that. And yes, there are no elite 8 year olds, BUT, some people’s 8 years olds ARE IN FACT going to go pro. And most parents of this 8 year olds know that. Not think that. Not hope that. Not dream that, not even wish it. They KNOW their kid is going pro.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment
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Anonymous wrote:562 pages of ya'll bickering amongst yourselves and repeating the same stiff over and over again about an issue that you have no control over is so funny. The powers that be are gonna do what they want when they want and we have little say and our opinion means exactly nothing so not sure why there needs to be 562 pages of discussion.


Yes, the State of Play was discussed 400 pages ago to show there wasn’t a causation with age cutoffs. But look, we’re going for 1,000 pages and that does take the recycling of topics to get there since we have to wait until March to find out we’ll be discussing this until 2026.

Can you set a reminder to repost the same call-out in +/- 200 pages?


Seemingly everyone believes that the switch to BY negatively impacted participation except a couple posters on these forums. They are basically the Flat Earth Society of the SY vs BY debate.


Look, nobody cares what anyone “believes.” You can use the same analogy a say the SY increases participation supporters are “new age anti-vaxers”…nobody cares.

It’s when the new age antivax crowd starts beating the “it’s in the data” drum that I point out that no…it’s not in fact in the data. The data doesn’t support an age cutoff either way as causative OR correlative to participation for soccer or any other team sport.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.



Why does the BY crowd say a SY registration is “rec” soccer and not competitive?


The people chasing after SY are Rec minded is the sentiment


How are they “rec minded?”
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.


Right?! I agree with the premise that there seems to be a push for broaden the grassroots and that will mean more lower skilled soccer, but I have no idea what PP is talking about with “competitive soccer”…the money is all made sub national leagues. Clubs don’t make money on their top teams.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ


No one in this thread is going to listen to that guy as soon as they hear him say stop thinking your 8 year old is going pro.

"We have 2.6 million players and most are playing for fun"

US Youth Soccer is a rec league..


So true. And now add the expected change to playdate soccer and truly it will be entrenching a rec league mentality.
Of course all of youth soccer is rec and playdate soccer as none of the kids in these youth leagues get paid. Its kids playing for fun. Seriously, well adjusted adults know this.


No, a small part of youth soccer is rec and baby soccer. Competitive soccer with older teams is how leagues and clubs get their rankings and status and how they draw in more paying customers at a younger age. But it sounds like if the priority is now going to be on rec playdate soccer then leagues and clubs will watch their competitive teams and players leave. Doesn’t seem like a good business model but at least the kids will all be playing with friends and getting participation trophies.


What are you even talking about? This isn't going to end "competitive" soccer.


Right?! I agree with the premise that there seems to be a push for broaden the grassroots and that will mean more lower skilled soccer, but I have no idea what PP is talking about with “competitive soccer”…the money is all made sub national leagues. Clubs don’t make money on their top teams.


I believe the idea is that if you broaden the grassroots soccer, get more kids into soccer, which means yes, more lower skilled soccer, then more little kids who can be good teenagers and excellent adults enter into soccer and stay.

A lot of people in this forum have very competitive kids, kids playing in college, or MLS academies, and at one point all those kids were just U-little kids entering into soccer through some random program close to their house and not all of them were born to two soccer playing parents who planned their elite careers for them since they were 7. Many of our kids just started playing because it's a thing to do with kids you know and then over time took it more and more seriously, and leaned into their talent, and worked hard, and we supported them as they grew and here they are. It's not crazy to think that the more kids who start that way, the more competitive the US will become!

Changing the ages to make entry to soccer easier in the immediate season after the World Cup comes to america and drives soccer enthusiasm up is a great idea. Forget which kids have an advantage and RAE and team disruption and all the rest. It's good for American soccer for more kids to play soccer, thats true full stop.
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Anonymous wrote:Didn't see this posted yet. It's a must watch.

https://youtu.be/Scr1UOywbQI?si=GC9Nno7lCnmasMlQ
seasonal season is an interesting spin. Separates from prior school year approach. Do you think they will vary by state? I’m not sure leagues will want that extra admin. He seems to suggest a September cutoff. Between US youth soccer and US club soccer, they are making it clear that this is happening. Not sure why anyone is still debating.
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