Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don’t understand how this was permitted. She was a diva throwing her weight around expecting everyone to comply with her wishes. Why would they allow this behavior from anyone, let alone a B-list, and that’s being generous, mediocre actress? JB is a fool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually looked at any of the Baldoni "lifestyle" videos he has posted on youtube about his family etc? Someone here earlier posted his "proposal" video to his wife and ... ewww. I couldn't watch the whole thing. It had nothing to do with his fiance, and was completely self absorbed, putting him in like 5 different scenarios and making a proposal (he's in a boy band, in a flash mob, in a mission impossible set, etc). This makes me think he is really mainly an actor/director trying to get (more) famous and posting his movies online pretending they're his life. So he films all these and then films his wife's reaction watching them -- and that's how he proposed to her, by making himself the absolute center of attention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTr5MNa_8Y

Doesn't this give anyone else the Ick? He seems, at a minimum, exhausting.

Yes, all of the people involved are annoying and exhausting. They’re all literally obnoxious “theater kids.” But the scammers appear to be Blake and Ryan.

Calling BL a theatre kid’ is very kind. She is an entitled, bratty, talentless nepo baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This set of circumstances have absolutely nothing to do with the DV in a marriage between Amber Heard and Depp. The power difference between Reynolds/Lively makes them the Depp, not the Heard, and best I know, there was no documentary evidence like screenshots of uncut and unedited text comms backing up either of those parties. So no, sorry, I don’t see any commonalities between these things, nor between Lively’s acts and those of any MeToo claimant in Hollywood or otherwise.

We have to wait and see but I think she ended her career with going to the NYT. Baldoni and his production company likely had the ultimate prize of establishing a working relationship with Sony for additional future projects, which is why he bent over backwards to accommodate the impossible. (That is it seems the “he’s a jerk too” “he is a grifter” stuff - it makes no sense). I find Lively’s actions outrageous and dishonest and the only way to see otherwise is to decide against reason that she is telling the truth as an act of will, because it isn’t backed up with any publicly available information.

I'm the PP you are referring to and I specifically said I think the underlying situations are different and I agree that Lively has much more power than Heard ever had.

My point was that the online pile on against Lively resembles the one against Heard very strongly, and that the way Baldoni's PR team (who also worked for Depp against Heard) and his lawyer have approached the situation really capitalizes on how so many people online are eager to pillory a woman, call her a liar, call her crazy.

I know people will say "But but but THIS time she really is a crazy liar!" Well that would be very convenient because what a nice gift for all the people whose favorite pastime is calling women crazy liars.

That dynamic gives me pause and is enough for me to step back, let the courts handle it, and reserve judgment. I don't get on here defending Lively specifically or claiming she's a great person, but I am not ready to try and convict her in the court of public opinion because there are way too many similarities in the vibe to what happened with Heard. Even if the underlying facts are different. It might be worth it to just cool off the rhetoric.

If Lively's case is crap I'm actually very comfortable that the courts will take care of it, and if Baldoni sincerely has a defamation case, I think he'll get money. Even with the power imbalance, because no matter how rich or famous a woman is, women do NOT get away with things. See, e.g., Martha Stewart. If Lively is at fault here, she'll get pinned for it. If she were a man... not so much.

Immaterial. Anyone accusing someone of uncivil behavior leading to potential damages can have their claim assessed, especially when they do everything possible to publicize and amplify their claims. I’m not ever going to stop calling the bolded irrational and accusatory because it is. Her case has to be assessed as her case, not as the runoff of the campaign against any prior accuser.

There have been DV advocates posting here saying Lively is an outlier for them. Are they liars? It’s clearly what you’re suggesting. I have supported and believed quite literally every accuser of SH I have ever read about and used to work for a civil rights group on EEO matters. I do not think this has a thing to do with “who is a great person.”

Does “cool off the rhetoric” go in all directions? Right back atcha.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don't like Blake Lively but this is insane. Like really think about this. Blake Lively (who I don't think is swimming in film offers these days) signs on to do a movie right after having a baby with the plan to bait her director/costar into doing stuff that she can claim is harassment, so that after a hiatus forced on them by writers/actors strikes, she can make demands as a precursor to returning to set, including a no retaliation clause, and then she convinces both the entire cast and the author of the book on which the movie is based to "ice out" Baldoni during press so that he has no choice but to hire Johnny Depp's PR team to go after her and then boom, she has her retaliation lawsuit and can leak it to her friends at the times to ruin his career? And you think this was planned in advance so that Lively and her husband could get the film rights to the sequel?

If you actually believe this... this is just not how real life operates. That's the plot of an extremely hard to believe movie starring an unconvincing Blake Lively as some kind of strategic mastermind and Justin Baldoni as the world's dumbest patsy. Just no.

She's less of a villain than you think, he's less naive and trusting than you think.

[Anonymous]

Blake and Ryan’s behavior sounds a hundred times worse and more sinister than anything alleged diva actress Katherine Heigl was ever accused of. Heigl went from A-list superstar to blackballed by Hollywood seemingly overnight because of her behavior. I don’t see how Blake or Ryan ever recover from this. Plus Ryan is way too old for his catty sarcastic effeminate guy shtick. That routine is funny when you’re 25, not 50.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone actually looked at any of the Baldoni "lifestyle" videos he has posted on youtube about his family etc? Someone here earlier posted his "proposal" video to his wife and ... ewww. I couldn't watch the whole thing. It had nothing to do with his fiance, and was completely self absorbed, putting him in like 5 different scenarios and making a proposal (he's in a boy band, in a flash mob, in a mission impossible set, etc). This makes me think he is really mainly an actor/director trying to get (more) famous and posting his movies online pretending they're his life. So he films all these and then films his wife's reaction watching them -- and that's how he proposed to her, by making himself the absolute center of attention? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTr5MNa_8Y

Doesn't this give anyone else the Ick? He seems, at a minimum, exhausting.

Yes, all of the people involved are annoying and exhausting. They’re all literally obnoxious “theater kids.” But the scammers appear to be Blake and Ryan.

Calling BL a theatre kid’ is very kind. She is an entitled, bratty, talentless nepo baby.

lol. Touché.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don’t understand how this was permitted. She was a diva throwing her weight around expecting everyone to comply with her wishes. Why would they allow this behavior from anyone, let alone a B-list, and that’s being generous, mediocre actress? JB is a fool.

He wasn’t being a fool.

Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift have the clout Lively herself has not earned. The comms show that he and his co-producers did not understand from jump how to handle Lively in part because they did not want to conclude what was ultimately true - she is fundamentally not on the level. It’s such a killer irony - they were trying to not call her as a hostile environment creating liar *when that is exactly what she and her husband with their penthouse apartment meetings we’re creating.*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don’t understand how this was permitted. She was a diva throwing her weight around expecting everyone to comply with her wishes. Why would they allow this behavior from anyone, let alone a B-list, and that’s being generous, mediocre actress? JB is a fool.

Because at this same time her husband was filming a blockbuster superhero film and her bff is Taylor Swift, the biggest pop star in the world. She was power drunk and aided by her power drunk social climbing A-list husband. This is why you never give stupid people power. They quickly abuse it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All parties involved are sanctimonious snakes, however we must determine who is less evil. That being said, I will never watch another movie including BL or RR.

This is true. But from everything I’ve read the Justin guy, while he probably is a typical Hollywood phony baloney, he was walking on egg shells around Blake, who was clearly trying to bait him like an unreformed sorority girl scammer. This was a set-up scheme from the very get go, imo.

I don't like Blake Lively but this is insane. Like really think about this. Blake Lively (who I don't think is swimming in film offers these days) signs on to do a movie right after having a baby with the plan to bait her director/costar into doing stuff that she can claim is harassment, so that after a hiatus forced on them by writers/actors strikes, she can make demands as a precursor to returning to set, including a no retaliation clause, and then she convinces both the entire cast and the author of the book on which the movie is based to "ice out" Baldoni during press so that he has no choice but to hire Johnny Depp's PR team to go after her and then boom, she has her retaliation lawsuit and can leak it to her friends at the times to ruin his career? And you think this was planned in advance so that Lively and her husband could get the film rights to the sequel?

If you actually believe this... this is just not how real life operates. That's the plot of an extremely hard to believe movie starring an unconvincing Blake Lively as some kind of strategic mastermind and Justin Baldoni as the world's dumbest patsy. Just no.

She's less of a villain than you think, he's less naive and trusting than you think.

They’re all complete idiots for different reasons. Yes, BL is a conniving, manipulative, whiny, entitled nepo baby and JB appears to be a clueless smug weirdo. BL and her tool of a husband are worse and more evil than dorky a$$ wannabe director JB.

[Anonymous]

This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, its Chinatown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, its Chinatown.

It’s not quite misogyny. RR is equally as repulsive as his disaster of a wife. This couple appears to be a mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

+1

And I don't even like Blake Lively. But I don't hate her. I don't get where the vitriol is coming from when this is a classic she said/he said where both sides are almost certainly sculpting the narrative to make themselves look good and the truth is probably something messy where they both look bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown.

+1

And I don't even like Blake Lively. But I don't hate her. I don't get where the vitriol is coming from when this is a classic she said/he said where both sides are almost certainly sculpting the narrative to make themselves look good and the truth is probably something messy where they both look bad.

I don’t hate BL, I am indifferent towards her, but what I do hate are entitled nepo babies who haven’t earned or worked for anything. BL used her connections to throw her weight around, pun intended. She acted like a whiny bratty spoiled child when she didn’t get her way. She didn’t belong in this movie anyhow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so weird. It's like MAGA, but for Baldoni. Agree with PP that it's got all the misogyny of the Heard/Depp thread. And yet people are so absolutely certain that their hatred of this woman is well merited. Forget it, Jake, its Chinatown.

Well to be fair, people are also piling on RR. I think it’s more about not liking what people are interpreting as bullying behavior by a wealthy power couple who have taken over not one but two movies. That said, the AH/JD case was too depressing for me to want to follow, so I don’t know what people did there. For me, this case is a distraction from some really depressing stuff happening in the world. But I do not like when people talk about her weight or outfits or appearance. That feels like misogyny. Nobody’s talking about RR’s outfits or weight or aging.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

My point was that the online pile on against Lively resembles the one against Heard very strongly, and that the way Baldoni's PR team (who also worked for Depp against Heard) and his lawyer have approached the situation really capitalizes on how so many people online are eager to pillory a woman, call her a liar, call her crazy.

DCUM has maybe a few hundred people following this thread at best. Reddit has a few pro Baldoni and pro Blakey dedicated subs, but the largest “general” celeb sub, Fau Moi, has over 4 million members and is largely pro Blake.