Orton-Gillingham or PhonoGraphix for Moderate Dyslexia
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Anonymous
| Hello, DD was recently diagnosed with moderate dyslexia and we are trying to navigate our new world of terms and programs to try and get her the assistance she needs. Has anyone had experience with O-G versus PhonoGraphix? Is one better than the other for moderate dyslexia? She has related dysgraphia and dyscalculia as well. Thanks so much in advance! |
Anonymous
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My son did not make any progress until he got Orton-Gillingham from a trained and certified instructor who follows it religiously.
He had a string of teachers who were borrowing from Leveled Literacy Intervention, Phonographix, and Orton because they liked being able to be creative and use all the tools in their toolkits, but it really didn't work at all for my DS (who has both dyslexia and dyscalculia). He's not a perfect example because he never got Phonographix "with fidelity" (as reading specialists like to say), but I am a pretty big believer in O-G, having seen the system used the right way. |
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Phonographix with an SLP and delivered with fidelity worked well to get my dyslexic kid reading at grade level and sounding out hard words very well.
That said, I think it depends upon whether your kid has issues with phonological processing, orthographical processing (i.e. surface dyslexia), or RAN (rapid automatic naming) issues. My kid had issues with phonological processing and orthographical processing. Phonographix addresses phonological processing issues really well. We are now working on orthographical processing, primarily focused on spelling issues, using Lindamood Bell Seeing Stars. Said another way, Phonographix is very good for laying a strong foundation in sounding words out. After you are over that hump and/or you finish the program, you can move on to another type of tutoring. O-G tutoring delivered with fidelity will take you the whole way. So, it could be worth it to find someone good that uses O-G and hope they can stick with you for 3-4 years. |
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OG is evidence-based (i.e., supported by scientific data). Sorry but I am not familiar with other method
Look online for evaluations that used a comparison group, and were conducted by neutral scientists/ academics |
Anonymous
| How old is the child and how well are they reading now? |
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Thanks to all who have replied! And a special thanks for bringing out all these terms; all new to me.
She is 8.5 years old and is "reading" decently, but the doctor says its because she is resourceful, smart and has superior vocabulary for her age. Big gap between her ability and her actual decoding. She has high comprehension rates. Her lowest scores were on the WIAT-III: Pseudoword Decoding, the NEPSY-II: Speeded Naming (is that RAM?), and the WIAT-III: Oral Reading Accuracy and Oral Reading Rate subtests. On all of those she was between the 3rd and 23% for her age group (decoding being the absolute lowest at 3%; oral reading accuracy being second at 5%). Her phonological processing score (NEPSY-II) was 50%, so solidly average. Forgive the stupid question, but if I am understanding 15:21 above correctly (and reading the online things correctly), it looks like her issues are with RAM but also decoding and oral reading. Does this make her issues orthographical as well? It seems there is general consensus that O-G may be the best route? Thanks everyone! |
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I am 15:21. I am not an expert, just a parent who has been reading a lot and trying to understand my own child's dyslexic sub-type.
My interpretation of your child's scores is that her issues are more orthographical processing (decoding unusual words/parts, spelling) and less phonological processing and phonemic awareness (sounding out words). Also RAN seem to be an issue for your child. A good O-G tutor can explain this better to you. I think O-G can help with the orthographical processing and decoding issues. RAVE-O is the program to help with RAN. Your child will also probably need a lot of reading fluency practices for the RAN issues. Spelling will probably be very hard. |
Anonymous
I'm the one who asked upthread. I am a teacher and I've been trained in both Phonographix and O-G. I think that the simplicity of Phonographix is perfect for very young kids, and for getting over that hump into reading their first words. For a kid like yours, I've had more success with O-G, or Wilson, which is O-G based. I'd probably pick Wilson over either of the other two, but if you have a good O-G person, and don't have a Wilson person, I think it's a fine choice. |
Anonymous
| Wilson is working with our son who sounds like your child. The Wilson Reading System website has a page for parents where you can request a list of Wilson certified tutors in your area. ASDEC also has a proven program based on O-G as another option if their tutors have any availability. My understanding is that it's better to get someone who has completed certification and not just a bit of training in one of the proven programs for dyslexia and they need to follow it and not do a hodgepodge. |
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For us it was O-G. My DS also has "moderate" dyslexia. He's 10 now and the his reading level is fantastic. I was listening to him read aloud last night and I was blown away by the progress. I don't know if this is O-G or his teacher but he didn't know how to pronounce the word "cuisine" last night. I helped him and he immediately (somehow) realized it was a French word and adopted a ridiculous pseudo French accent and mannerism when he repeated it. How the heck did he know that?
For him, the reading remediation was the most obvious part. There is a basket of other stuff that can come with dyslexia that can be harder to crack - handwriting, spelling, math facts, directionality. |
Anonymous
| OP here: Thanks so much for all the inputs/advice! We are in new territory, so it's really appreciated! |
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OP:
See Understood.org. You'll learn a lot. And details on everything mentioned here can be found there. |