What constitutes G&T designation

[Anonymous]

We are moving from private school to MoCo for elementary school. As part of admission to private school, our child had to take a WPPSI test that is an IQ test. What score would qualify her for G&T designation? She is going into third grade so not sure it matters, but there is a thread right now that talks about possible enrichment in 3rd grade before the CES starts in 4th/5th.

[Anonymous]

Your daughter’s reading and math assessments will determine her placement for small group instruction for 3rd grade. There is little enrichment in 3rd grade. IQ tests are not considered for admission to a CES. MCPS will use grades, MAP scores and their own testing (currently an abbreviated CogAT, which is administered in 3rd grade), and then will compare your daughter to her peer cohort (other students from her home school) for admission to a CES. Her 3rd grade math teacher’s recommendation is all that is necessary for placement in Math 4/5 in 4th grade.

[Anonymous]

The G&T designation they’re talking about is based on the InView, which is administered to all second graders and any 3rd graders who want to take/retake it. The results are not used for placement.

[Anonymous]

The GT designation just doesn't matter at all. It's based on 2nd grade testing and never updated. This district has so much transiency that by the high school level, half the kids in a magnet program don't have the flag because they weren't in MCPS in 2nd grade or weren't identified at that point as GT. The district uses other measures for decisions about programming.

[Anonymous]

Its true that MCPS uses their own testing to assess G&T but having WPPSI scores definitely doesn't hurt. I had them for both my kids in the early elementary grades when we moved from a West coast private to a Bethesda Elementary. They took those results as an immediate understanding of where to place my children - with which teachers and in what groupings (unofficial) within the classroom for reading and math.

Its not true that the MCPS G&T category is meaningless. It has an impact on the math classes your child will be in for 4th, 5th and MS.

Each area is different but at Bradley Hills for example there were 4 compacted math groups and 2 regular math groups, the compacted math kids who scored As and Bs consistently, went into what is effectively pre-Algebra at Pyle. IM 6 and succeeding in that, into Algebra 1 for 7th grade.

There are categories which may seem meaningless in ES but they are setting the route, very often for your child's future academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its true that MCPS uses their own testing to assess G&T but having WPPSI scores definitely doesn't hurt. I had them for both my kids in the early elementary grades when we moved from a West coast private to a Bethesda Elementary. They took those results as an immediate understanding of where to place my children - with which teachers and in what groupings (unofficial) within the classroom for reading and math.

Its not true that the MCPS G&T category is meaningless. It has an impact on the math classes your child will be in for 4th, 5th and MS.

Each area is different but at Bradley Hills for example there were 4 compacted math groups and 2 regular math groups, the compacted math kids who scored As and Bs consistently, went into what is effectively pre-Algebra at Pyle. IM 6 and succeeding in that, into Algebra 1 for 7th grade.

There are categories which may seem meaningless in ES but they are setting the route, very often for your child's future academics.

Correlation =/= Causation. Yes, many kids identified as GT get placed in compacted math but you don't have to have the GT designation to be placed in compacted math. That placement is determined by actual performance (+ stretching some kids if they need to fill classes.)

[Anonymous]

CES is only if your elementary has a local center OR your child has scored in the top percentile for MAP and COGAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CES is only if your elementary has a local center OR your child has scored in the top percentile for MAP and COGAT.

I understand CES admissions now basically require: your child scores in the top percentile compared to mcps students attending a similar SES school AND your child's school does not have a peer group of similarly performing students.

[Anonymous]

The bar for this designation is extremely low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its true that MCPS uses their own testing to assess G&T but having WPPSI scores definitely doesn't hurt. I had them for both my kids in the early elementary grades when we moved from a West coast private to a Bethesda Elementary. They took those results as an immediate understanding of where to place my children - with which teachers and in what groupings (unofficial) within the classroom for reading and math.

Its not true that the MCPS G&T category is meaningless. It has an impact on the math classes your child will be in for 4th, 5th and MS.

Each area is different but at Bradley Hills for example there were 4 compacted math groups and 2 regular math groups, the compacted math kids who scored As and Bs consistently, went into what is effectively pre-Algebra at Pyle. IM 6 and succeeding in that, into Algebra 1 for 7th grade.

There are categories which may seem meaningless in ES but they are setting the route, very often for your child's future academics.

Buying a score from a private practitioner isn't credible. Everyone who pays to get an IQ test scores over 140. It's mostly another tool rich people use to segregate their children from the general school population, but fortunately, moco doesn't use this anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CES is only if your elementary has a local center OR your child has scored in the top percentile for MAP and COGAT.

I understand CES admissions now basically require: your child scores in the top percentile compared to mcps students attending a similar SES school AND your child's school does not have a peer group of similarly performing students.

Not exactly. You are thinking of middle school magnet admissions. For CES programs, your child needs to be in the top percentile in their home school. For regional centers, they don't take zero kids from any school, and the initial admissions usually take a roughly equal number from each sending school. Because the regional centers generally draw from schools that are demographically similar, there isn't the same curve that is applied to middle school admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its true that MCPS uses their own testing to assess G&T but having WPPSI scores definitely doesn't hurt. I had them for both my kids in the early elementary grades when we moved from a West coast private to a Bethesda Elementary. They took those results as an immediate understanding of where to place my children - with which teachers and in what groupings (unofficial) within the classroom for reading and math.

Its not true that the MCPS G&T category is meaningless. It has an impact on the math classes your child will be in for 4th, 5th and MS.

Each area is different but at Bradley Hills for example there were 4 compacted math groups and 2 regular math groups, the compacted math kids who scored As and Bs consistently, went into what is effectively pre-Algebra at Pyle. IM 6 and succeeding in that, into Algebra 1 for 7th grade.

There are categories which may seem meaningless in ES but they are setting the route, very often for your child's future academics.

Every school has compacted math, and placement is based primarily on 3rd grade MAP scores, not on whether a child was designated as "gifted" at the end of 2nd. There are also opportunities to join the faster track in later grades, and/or to drop back to the regular track if the accelerated track isn't working.

[Anonymous]

What constitutes GT designation in MD? The ability to chew gum and walk at the same time.