504s give you an unfair advantage
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Anonymous
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/17/upshot/nyc-schools-shsat-504.html
Second chart in this article- it gives an advantage across all races. Want to show this every parent who santimoniously claims they wish their kid didn’t need a 504 for ACT/SAT. |
Anonymous
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I think when you have a timed test and you are an individual with extended time, there needs to be 2 scores submitted.
1. Score when time is called for everyone 2. Score with your extended time. Let the admissions folks decide who they want to admit. |
Anonymous
Have you actually had a kid take the SAT or ACT? How would these proctors possibly enforce your idea? You do realize that it would somehow have to be enforced right there in the testing room in that moment--right? And that it's not as simple as "just draw a line under where you were when everyone else's test time stopped"--? Students with extra time have that time in part to be able to go back over the test. So they could go back in their extra time and change answers as needed that were for questions they initially answered before the "regular" test time ended. You get that, right? The test can't magically stop and be somehow "locked" so those with extra time can only answer questions that remain blank at the time the regular testing period ends. And yes, students who do not get any extra time also can go back and change answers if they want. How is your child without accommodations specifically and individually hurt by another kid's having them? Unless your own kid wasn't ready for the test or blew off even attempting to prepare. You posters bitching about extra time accommodations are either sucking on sour grapes or you're obsessed with the details of the college entrance cheating scandal now in the news. The PP who slams parents for "sanctimoniously" saying they wish their kid didn't need accommodations is pathetic. Do you really think parents are somehow secretly gleeful that their kids have issues that mean they need accommodations? I do not have a child with a 504 or any other accommodation needs, but I also don't complain and assume that every kid who needs them is somehow cheating and gaming the system, which apparently both of you PPs do assume. You need to spend your time focused on your own kids, not on what other kids are or aren't doing. Or insist that your kids apply only to test-optional colleges that do not require SAT or ACT scores at all. Of course you'll find a way to complain about that somehow too. |
Anonymous
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Worked with kids for years. Have seen LD kids think circles around speed demon straight A students. You know, some kids are athletic, some kids crunch numbers fast, some debate on their feet, some innovate, some are leaders, some contemplate at depths you’ll never know. No one’s entitled to anything; some people are just lucky they start with more advantages. A tiny little subset of scores does not necessarily make you a better thinker than someone with an incrementally different set of scores. Yes, some people are “smarter” than others, but you will not necessarily know it by their tests scores. Sure, you can glean some info on whether they appear to be prepared for basic college level work. If you want to tell colleges who to admit, get a job in an admissions office. All this griping suggests there’s only one kind of human who deserves everything. Be glad everyone doesn’t think this way or you wouldn’t be reading your bloody smart device and sitting in air conditioning with the lunch of your choice right now. You have no idea what other people have figured out that you benefit from every minute of the day. And if they were just like all these entitled complainers, we’d be without.
(The merits of which are a different conversation 
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Anonymous
Are you that afraid that your darling Larla can't compete against a kid with a documented learning disability? |
Anonymous
| My DD has vision issues that affect her ability to read small text. She has a 504 that provides vision accommodations, including large text, paper tests where possible, and extra time on standardized tests. I sure wish she didn't need thick glasses and a 504, but she does. Her accommodation is designed to equalize what a kid with perfect vision can do without accommodations, but apparently you think this provides some sort of advantage. Hope your kid never has issues, 11:17. |
Anonymous
+1. I'd trade my child's 504 for a neutorypical child any day! |
Anonymous
. HOw does this show that it is unfair? |
Anonymous
| This article does not show that 504s give kids an unfair advantage. 504 accommodations equalize the playing field. What this article does point out, though, is how kids who come from families who do not understand the special education system and/or who do not have the financial resources to secure testing are probably unfairly left behind. Our special education system should be doing better than this. |
Anonymous
My DC received 50% extra time along with a reader and a scribe. It just takes longer to take a test with a reader and a scribe. He was ina room alone with his reader/scribe. No sanctimony about it. I think most people would prefer their children not to have disabilities, perhaps you are the exception. |
Anonymous
| Not sure being in the psych ward for two weeks, then a partial day hospitalization program for three weeks, then coming back to a 504 was really worth the "advantage", but whatever you say OP. |
Anonymous
My DD has a 504 for dyslexia. I wish my kid didn't need a 504. Her life would be a whole lot easier if she didn't have dyslexia. If we were not an upper middle class family, my DD would likely not have a 504, and would instead be scraping by with barely-passing grades. Because we're an upper middle class family, we had the time and the money to pursue things we saw which concerned us, even though our child was not failing. If NYC schools fail children in this regard like Maryland schools do, it does not surprise me that children from well off families are more likely to have 504s (testing is not cheap, and schools will say your child isn't failing, there is no problem, so you'll get no help from them). It does not surprise me that these children when accommodated do well. They're typically bright enough to barely hang on in school, and thus be overlooked, unless a family has extra money to pursue support for their learning difference. Money gives you an unfair advantage. Every child with dyslexia should be appropriately supported. It should not be limited to those of us with the finances to demand appropriate accommodations for our children. |
Anonymous
| OP you should take some extra time to review statistics. The small number of students with extra time on this particular test and single sample here do not support your broad conclusion. |
Anonymous
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Op you don't even understand special ed. You need therapy for your bitterness. You are obsessed with the fact that somebody, who was smarter than you or your child, may have gotten better scores and therefore gotten in to better schools than you or your child.
Please share with us the source of your bitterness. Are you a parent and your average kid has friends who got into better schools than jr? Are you a recent hs graduate who blames other kids accommodations for you not getting in to your state school? Let us know. The title of your post shows your ignorance. |
Anonymous
Nope. Not going to happen. This "solution" gets mentioned in every one of these posts. This would be discriminatory against students with disabilities. It will not ever happen. |