U10 is not the World Cup

[Anonymous]

At a tournament this weekend with DD’s team of u8/u9 players. They were placed into a U10 bracket because there was a shortage of younger teams. That’s fine, can’t control how many teams apply. But to see the U10 teams pour it on like US vs Thailand was pretty sad. When your team goes up 4-0 in a matter of minutes, because the 8 year old goalie can barely kick it out of the box, do you really need to keep pressing the 10 year olds from the edge of the box, and charge at every goal kick? Goal kick, charge, missed shot, rinse and repeat. Hey coach, how bout your team stands back a few yards, or even to half field, and try to complete a few passes first before shooting? They will still score plenty of goals and maybe your defenders will get to touch the ball. It might be good practice for your players and teach them something about sportsmanship. Either way you will still get the 3 points to reach the top of your U10 bracket.

A bit of a rant, but was really disappointed to see lack of sportsmanship by these other teams. Of course I blame the coaches/parents not the 10 year old players. What are we teaching these kids? This isn’t new for me, I have older kids and have been watching this behavior for years, but it’s still disappointing to see 10 year olds taught to beat up on younger teams at the expense of teaching sportsmanship and developing soccer players

[Anonymous]

Don’t u8s still play 4 vs 4?

[Anonymous]

Doesn't sound like the Arlington 3v3 tournament since there were no goalies in that tournament.

But the same thing happened since the Arlington 3v3 tournament was based on school grade, and not the year of birth.

Several teams were registered in the wrong division since registration itself was by year, and not grade, it was very confusing. Some teams played up a year by accident and got hammered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t u8s still play 4 vs 4?

It’s a u9 team with some u8s playing up because not enough u9’s on the team.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't sound like the Arlington 3v3 tournament since there were no goalies in that tournament.

But the same thing happened since the Arlington 3v3 tournament was based on school grade, and not the year of birth.

Several teams were registered in the wrong division since registration itself was by year, and not grade, it was very confusing. Some teams played up a year by accident and got hammered.

3v3 tournament specifically states that you need to make sure what grouping you sign up for because that team will likely be put a year up if you go for the top group. No accident.

In an effort to create more competitive brackets and a more competitive playing experience for teams that come to our tournaments, 3v3 Live takes registration based on both chronological age and competitive level (gold/silver) of teams.

Rather than our base bracket consisting of players of the same age, we will start the grouping process by automatically placing teams that sign up as “gold” teams with the “silver” teams that are one year older.

Example - "2003 gold" teams will be placed with "2002 silver" teams.

The GOLD division is for those teams who consider themselves to be in the top 50% of teams in their age group.

The SILVER division is for teams who consider themselves still developing and unable to compete with the top teams in their age group.

By starting at this base level we will be giving both gold teams and silver teams a more competitive and enjoyable experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

Did not sign up u8 team to play u10. Signed up a combo u9 with some u8 players to play in u9 tournament. They were the only u9 entry so they were placed into the u10 bracket

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

Did not sign up u8 team to play u10. Signed up a combo u9 with some u8 players to play in u9 tournament. They were the only u9 entry so they were placed into the u10 bracket

Meh. Kind of par for the course, a one time-thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

I watch some of the games. There were a lot of miss matched brackets. Some teams with travel players just let the kids plays and the scores difference were big. Other teams would play till they were 3 feet from the other teams open goal, start to juggle and pass back to their own goal and repeat. Yep I saw that. I guess they were total not to score. Which do you think is worst?

[Anonymous]

In an effort to create more competitive brackets and a more competitive playing experience for teams that come to our tournaments, 3v3 Live takes registration based on both chronological age and competitive level (gold/silver) of teams.

Have you guys at 3v3 Live considered limiting goal differential to 5 or something like that with tie breakers 1) head-to-head, 2) goals against, 3) goals for .... ?

I've noticed that 3v3 tournament play tends to exaggerate the differences in strength between teams much more than higher sided games. If the tie-breakers were different, once the stronger team gets to a 5 goal differential or something like that, it would be motivated to close out the game with a focus on D (PCB defending is a benefit of 3v3 play IMO) and the weaker team could work on improving their 1v1 skills and passing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't sound like the Arlington 3v3 tournament since there were no goalies in that tournament.

But the same thing happened since the Arlington 3v3 tournament was based on school grade, and not the year of birth.

Several teams were registered in the wrong division since registration itself was by year, and not grade, it was very confusing. Some teams played up a year by accident and got hammered.

3v3 tournament specifically states that you need to make sure what grouping you sign up for because that team will likely be put a year up if you go for the top group. No accident.

In an effort to create more competitive brackets and a more competitive playing experience for teams that come to our tournaments, 3v3 Live takes registration based on both chronological age and competitive level (gold/silver) of teams.

Rather than our base bracket consisting of players of the same age, we will start the grouping process by automatically placing teams that sign up as “gold” teams with the “silver” teams that are one year older.

Example - "2003 gold" teams will be placed with "2002 silver" teams.

The GOLD division is for those teams who consider themselves to be in the top 50% of teams in their age group.

The SILVER division is for teams who consider themselves still developing and unable to compete with the top teams in their age group.

By starting at this base level we will be giving both gold teams and silver teams a more competitive and enjoyable experience.

The Arlington Tournament was not a 3v3 Live tournament so I am not sure how they got here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In an effort to create more competitive brackets and a more competitive playing experience for teams that come to our tournaments, 3v3 Live takes registration based on both chronological age and competitive level (gold/silver) of teams.

Have you guys at 3v3 Live considered limiting goal differential to 5 or something like that with tie breakers 1) head-to-head, 2) goals against, 3) goals for .... ?

I've noticed that 3v3 tournament play tends to exaggerate the differences in strength between teams much more than higher sided games. If the tie-breakers were different, once the stronger team gets to a 5 goal differential or something like that, it would be motivated to close out the game with a focus on D (PCB defending is a benefit of 3v3 play IMO) and the weaker team could work on improving their 1v1 skills and passing.

Isn't there a mercy rule in 3v3 live?

I don't think a limit on GD is going to stop a team from still trying to score or maintaining posession. Your PCB comment means that the weaker team is holding possession, and that's probably not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't sound like the Arlington 3v3 tournament since there were no goalies in that tournament.

But the same thing happened since the Arlington 3v3 tournament was based on school grade, and not the year of birth.

Several teams were registered in the wrong division since registration itself was by year, and not grade, it was very confusing. Some teams played up a year by accident and got hammered.

I was going to say that something similar happened last year in the Arlington 3v3. My kid was on a REC team (he is a travel player but was playing up) and all the other kids were rec players from the appropriate age group. It turned out that there weren’t enough rec teams so they made one travel - rec division. No one found out until we showed up at the tournament, of course. Kid’s team played a team made of Arlington’s top travel team in the age group. No mercy rule, never let up. And if that wasn’t enough, the parents cheered the fifteenth goal as loudly as the first. Such a turnoff. Won’t ever do that tournament again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

Did not sign up u8 team to play u10. Signed up a combo u9 with some u8 players to play in u9 tournament. They were the only u9 entry so they were placed into the u10 bracket

Meh. Kind of par for the course, a one time-thing.

+1
It's too bad that happened but maybe that team was used to losing and this was their one big win of the season. I wouldn't get too worked up about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't u10 still have build out lines?

But if you sign up a u8 team to play against a u10 team, you have to expect a huge gap and terrible scorelines.. This is on the u8 group who signed up so far out of their depth.

I wouldn't put all the blame on u10 team, maybe some, but it's a tournament and they gonna go hard.

Did not sign up u8 team to play u10. Signed up a combo u9 with some u8 players to play in u9 tournament. They were the only u9 entry so they were placed into the u10 bracket

Meh. Kind of par for the course, a one time-thing.

+1
It's too bad that happened but maybe that team was used to losing and this was their one big win of the season. I wouldn't get too worked up about this.

It may also be the chance for kids to score who a goal, who never get to score. I don't mind running up the score, but I do agree that it is assholery for parents to cheer loudly at these extra goals. If you are loudly cheering for a goal once the score gets past 5-0 or so at a u10 game, you are definitely an asshole. Some self-reflection is required.