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Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims
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Anonymous
There’s not a single claim in there, even amongst the many lies she told, that rises to the level of SA, so who’s minimizing, amirite? |
Anonymous
I think many of her allegations would not be SH in their own, but the stuff involving the birth scene crosses a line for me, if true. I am interested to hear testimony and see evidence from both sides. |
Anonymous
Again, Blake was not harassed. You must be new. You sound like a teen that’s new to this discussion. Even the most ardent BL supporters on this site do not believe that she was harassed. Uncomfortable, yes. Harassed, no. And for those of us that have been harassed (which are several of us), Blake’s narrative is a mockery to what we’ve been through. She is always short or lacking in provable, material facts. She’s often long and insufferable on suggestive and non supported ones, proven to be more fiction than fact. |
Anonymous
Again, more fiction. Was it the fact that she wore shorts, had a hospital gown on, and was asked to look at a picture of a family who was cuddling a newborn (which she falsely cited as being stripped down to nothing, and that she was being shown a video of porn?) Blake has woven one falsity after another, with the intent to “shock” with her exaggerated truths and lies. It’s true Crucible territory here with her. She expects you to believe the lies, not to actually look into them and realize that they are lies. Almost sounds like someone else that we know who is big in the public eye these days… You’ve got to believe the lies. That’s how she influences. Short on facts but long on fiction. |
Anonymous
DP to PP you are responding to. What are you talking about? If her allegations are true I think she was harassed. You don’t speak for me, so don’t purport to. I have also been harassed, and I find her claims credible. Multiple people in this thread have told you this and yet you still refuse to believe it. |
Anonymous
+1 Specifically regarding the birth scene, Baldoni hasn't really disputed what I consider to be the jet allegations: that they pressured her to simulate full nudity the morning it was filmed even though it was not scripted that way (and taking language about women and childbirth I find offensive), that the compromise was still more exposed than she was comfortable with, that the filming if the scene was handled unprofessionally, and that after they'd already filmed it, Baldoni and Heath continued pressure her about it with Heath even attempting to show her a birth video without her consent. Again, these are allegations, nothing is proven. But they haven't disputed any of what I just wrote except to argue the scene was handled professionally (so competing narratives there). So I'm open to hearing evidence and if it happened as Lively describes, I think that's SH. |
Anonymous
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not an attorney or a publicist. Not a frequent poster on this thread. But I'll wager a prediction about this case: Blake is going down. I don't know what will happen in court but Blake is not going to get much work at all, because she's too much of a liability. Even if she wins, she will lose. By contrast, Baldoni will become highly successful because this case has made him famous and hasn't reflected negatively on him. [/quote]
I *am* a frequent poster on this thread, and I tend to take Lively’s side, and I agree that what you’re saying is highly probable. Even if she wins. I don’t think it’s right, but that seems to be the culture. [/quote] I’m not sure that the culture is wrong here though. If Blake was sexually harassed, she didn’t go through the right channels. Someone on her team, her PR folks, certainly legal, ideally any other trusted advisor, should have told her what happens when a woman accuses a man of sexual harassment. We are in a different time with me too, but you still need to follow certain protocols. From what a lot of people are seeing about this case, she complained about some inappropriate behavior during the strike, everyone met about it, and the inappropriate behavior was stopped. I think people are confused…. that is kind of the ideal situation. At most, she should’ve complained to SAG and gone to HR. Evidence shows that she tried to go to Sony and they told her they couldn’t handle it, which is a bit of a red flag given they are a big corporation, if it wasn’t in their purview, they should’ve directed her to go to sag. SAG is the non-biased third-party that is there to help. Instead she went scorched Earth and really started a PR war with him to publicly damage his reputation over the summer. It seems she assumed a lot of the bad press was from the campaign, but again, a trusted advisor should’ve said, look maybe his campaign did some of this, but clearly some of this is organic and clearly you are not as loved by the public as we thought and let’s admit we got some of the marketing for this movie wrong and some fans are pissed. Let’s lay low and let this pass. Then we find out they did this really dubious legal maneuver with a doe lawsuit that exposed that she started a company with ryan when he was very married to someone else. And she gets her very private friend Taylor Swift involved. It just seems like this was really poorly thought out. If they they could just run to the New York Times and she would become some sort of me to movement hero, standing up for women everywhere, I mean, that’s just really really bad advice and reading the room wrong. [/quote] Is your argument here really that if Blake was really sexually harassed, she still deserves to "go down" because she failed to be a quiet victim? Seriously? Like in a universe where she 100% was harassed and retaliated against, you still blame Blake for choosing to fight against the people who [again in this hypothetical where she was wronged] wronged her? That's gross. Shut up. Anyone who is harassed has a right to speak up. Not an obligation to "lay low and let this pass." Just no.[/quote] Again, Blake was not harassed. You must be new. You sound like a teen that’s new to this discussion. Even the most ardent BL supporters on this site do not believe that she was harassed. Uncomfortable, yes. Harassed, no. And for those of us that have been harassed (which are several of us), Blake’s narrative is a mockery to what we’ve been through. She is always short or lacking in provable, material facts. She’s often long and insufferable on suggestive and non supported ones, proven to be more fiction than fact. [/quote] DP to PP you are responding to. What are you talking about? If her allegations are true I think she was harassed. You don’t speak for me, so don’t purport to. I have also been harassed, and I find her claims credible. Multiple people in this thread have told you this and yet you still refuse to believe it. [/quote]bs. Her claims are not credible. Baldoni has proven many of them are lies with his evidence. Wallace has proven them to be lies. She accused him of something she has not support for. Here is the thing about being a Karen that another poster said last week: you can scream “abuse, abuse” even if there was no abuse. It’s done frequently, and as the other poster said, let’s not even talk about the numerous times in history, even events as recently as a year or so ago, where a Karen was blowing up at a birdwatcher. Luckily, like Baldoni, he had receipts to clear his name against the false narrative. It happens a lot, and me and many others choose to throw our support around the person with provable facts, not the person that always has the loudest voice or screams “ privilege”. Once Blake produces receipts, then I will be more open to her alleged narrative. But without receipts (at least five or so instances where they have debunked her narrative), no court of law nor jury will side with her lack of facts. She needs to prove that Baldoni harassed her. So far, all proof that she has offered up has been countered with solid evidence saying that no harassment occurred. |
Anonymous
That’s not what I said at all. She created a PR nightmare for herself, not because she accused someone of sexual harassment but because of the way that she went about it. This isn’t my opinion. These are facts. It’s been five minutes online. She’s lost millions of followers, had to lockdown on her account, and she hasn’t been able to market her brand. But have fun with your outrage. |
Anonymous
| You've written 5 of the last 8 posts, and a lot of what you're writing is not "facts" or "truth" but stuff you have taken a position on in your own head. Maybe stop for a breather and take a little mental health check? |
Anonymous
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What’s so funny to me is as producer of this film she fully has access to all of the dailies. She could easily put out footage showing how comfortable she was during the birthing and showing arguments or whatever. She has not, and that speaks volumes. Nothing untoward ever happen and we all knew this except the two or three posters spinning their wheels on this thread, which is actually just quite sad at this point.
She is lying, the public knows it, Ryan Reynolds is wasting away from the stress. And they look liked they absolutely hated each other on the red carpet last night. He just clearly did not want to be there. |
Anonymous
Once again, I think you are confusing posters. I guess a few of us feel the same way. |
Anonymous
I read the anti-Lively posts on this page (13:50 (nothing rises to SA); 13:59 ("Again, Blake was not harassed."); 14:06 ("Again, more fiction."); 14:15 (messed up formatting; "bs. Her claims are not credible."); 14:29 ("That's not what I said at all.")) as all being from the same poster, responding to two different "this could be SH" posters. Sorry if that was wrong, that would seem like less of a mental crisis if it involved multiple people. |
Anonymous
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And like I shared, Blake needs to produce some facts to support her claims. She has not produced one discernible and indisputable fact supporting her allegations against Justin. Not one.
So that’s why I claim no harassment. If she’s going to call it, she needs to produce facts. The law punishes and exonerates based on facts. |
Anonymous
That's not true -- she asked for dailies access and didn't get it. And the film itself belongs to Wayfarer. She may have temporarily had access to all footage during the editing process, but she does not currently have access. It's generally a very limited number if people who have access to cutting room footage after release of a film. Sony probably doesn't even have access to it -- it's Wayfarer's property. |
Anonymous
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And I’ll add this much. The bar for harassment tends to be lower in the mind of some females than others. That is why the courts provide a reasonableness standard. Would a reasonable person believe that the incidences which Blake has alleged (and Justin has countered with solid, irrefutable evidence) to be harassment? That’s the foundation of the standard involved. Most people are going to say “no”, especially given the lack of and none existence of evidence to corroborate Blake’s allegations.
So no, no harassment proven yet. |