Should we appeal and include WISC?

[Anonymous]

My child did not get accepted into AAP during the 1st round.
He had a composite Cogat of 127 and a high GBRS of 3 C's and 1 F. I believe that in the old GBRS system, this would have been a 15 out of 16. We had a WISC done, and the FSIQ was 125 and the GAI was 127. All subscores were in the 120's with the exception of the VCI, which was 133/99th percentile. I met with the AART who seemed to think that his file was a strong one. I am wondering if it is worth it to appeal, and if so, if we should include the WISC score.

[Anonymous]

Definitely appeal. This is 96th percentile score. Something got overlooked last time. I’ve heard a lot of kids get through after appealing.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the committee got it right the first time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the committee got it right the first time.

Wow, some posters on here are total douchebags.

[Anonymous]

Appeal with letter and new work samples. Do not include the WISC.

[Anonymous]

I would include that WISC.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Here is where I feel confused...my son's COGAT score of 127 was 95th percentile nationally, and 90th percentile in Fairfax. I would assune that his WISC score would place him in roughly the same range. Considering that the program services roughly 19% of the total population, and considering that his GBRS was extremely strong, shouldn't this place him in the program? I just can't see that 19% of the students are scoring in the 130 range, but perhaps I am wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Here is where I feel confused...my son's COGAT score of 127 was 95th percentile nationally, and 90th percentile in Fairfax. I would assune that his WISC score would place him in roughly the same range. Considering that the program services roughly 19% of the total population, and considering that his GBRS was extremely strong, shouldn't this place him in the program? I just can't see that 19% of the students are scoring in the 130 range, but perhaps I am wrong.

19% aren’t. Approx 70% of kids in the pool are admitted. Approx 50% of kids not in pool are admitted. Approx 1/3 of appeal files are admitted the 19-20% of kids in aap are comprised of all those kids, who did and didn’t have score benchmarks met.

I think your cogat and wisc support each other and unless you have something else, submit them but I don’t think it will help without more goodl luck.

[Anonymous]

The 99th percentile VCI score might help your case. It would be hard for him to have his needs met in language arts in a gen ed classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Here is where I feel confused...my son's COGAT score of 127 was 95th percentile nationally, and 90th percentile in Fairfax. I would assune that his WISC score would place him in roughly the same range. Considering that the program services roughly 19% of the total population, and considering that his GBRS was extremely strong, shouldn't this place him in the program? I just can't see that 19% of the students are scoring in the 130 range, but perhaps I am wrong.

19% aren’t. Approx 70% of kids in the pool are admitted. Approx 50% of kids not in pool are admitted. Approx 1/3 of appeal files are admitted the 19-20% of kids in aap are comprised of all those kids, who did and didn’t have score benchmarks met.

I think your cogat and wisc support each other and unless you have something else, submit them but I don’t think it will help without more goodl luck.

I just don't see why they exclude 30% of kids that are in-pool while admitting so many that were not in-pool. I know that many kids have lower scores and still have the capacity to be in AAP, but the process feels so arbitrary. Why not just accept everyone that is in-pool and then also accept some that were not in-pool?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Here is where I feel confused...my son's COGAT score of 127 was 95th percentile nationally, and 90th percentile in Fairfax. I would assune that his WISC score would place him in roughly the same range. Considering that the program services roughly 19% of the total population, and considering that his GBRS was extremely strong, shouldn't this place him in the program? I just can't see that 19% of the students are scoring in the 130 range, but perhaps I am wrong.

19% aren’t. Approx 70% of kids in the pool are admitted. Approx 50% of kids not in pool are admitted. Approx 1/3 of appeal files are admitted the 19-20% of kids in aap are comprised of all those kids, who did and didn’t have score benchmarks met.

I think your cogat and wisc support each other and unless you have something else, submit them but I don’t think it will help without more goodl luck.

Don't submit the WISC. They already rejected your child with that CogAT and so this reinforces that the committee was correct in not finding your DC eligible. The GBRS was good, so write something that explains why your DC's needs aren't met in the base school, why the center would be better and submit new work samples or recommendation letters. If you decide to include the WISC, please report back what the eligibility decision is. You might want to look at last year's appeals results thread to see if people posted WISC scores and results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Here is where I feel confused...my son's COGAT score of 127 was 95th percentile nationally, and 90th percentile in Fairfax. I would assune that his WISC score would place him in roughly the same range. Considering that the program services roughly 19% of the total population, and considering that his GBRS was extremely strong, shouldn't this place him in the program? I just can't see that 19% of the students are scoring in the 130 range, but perhaps I am wrong.

19% aren’t. Approx 70% of kids in the pool are admitted. Approx 50% of kids not in pool are admitted. Approx 1/3 of appeal files are admitted the 19-20% of kids in aap are comprised of all those kids, who did and didn’t have score benchmarks met.

I think your cogat and wisc support each other and unless you have something else, submit them but I don’t think it will help without more goodl luck.

I just don't see why they exclude 30% of kids that are in-pool while admitting so many that were not in-pool. I know that many kids have lower scores and still have the capacity to be in AAP, but the process feels so arbitrary. Why not just accept everyone that is in-pool and then also accept some that were not in-pool?

Because some people in the pool could be struggling school already without an accelerated curriculum. Because it isn’t necessarily a good fit just because of a high test score.

[Anonymous]

I think you should include because of the VCI score. I know they look at subsets on WISC because my son overall score wasn’t that impressive because of his speed processing disorder, but he had 99th percentile in the subsets that are “important”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think you should include because of the VCI score. I know they look at subsets on WISC because my son overall score wasn’t that impressive because of his speed processing disorder, but he had 99th percentile in the subsets that are “important”.

If you don’t mind answering, what we’re the cogat and many scores and FSIQ? Was your appeal successful?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Because some people in the pool could be struggling school already without an accelerated curriculum. Because it isn’t necessarily a good fit just because of a high test score.

I agree that AAP as it is might not be a good fit for those kids. That being said, one of the main points of mandating gifted education is to reach the kids who are gifted but grossly underachieving in school. Gifted and high achieving kids who are very successful in 2nd grade will likely bloom wherever they're planted. Gifted kids who are not successful students in 2nd grade need gifted programming. FCPS has its priorities backward.