those who are NOT vaccinating or on the fence-

[Anonymous]

Hi- ok so I know all of the reasons TO vaccinate, but for those of you who aren't or are still deciding- any other reasons other then it being new and untested? (or I should say limited testing) I probably will vaccinate and I am pro-vax in general, but my hesitation is: of course it being new, many many drs I have talked to or heard from who do not recommend it or aren't doing it (not because it's dangerous, but because nobody knows yet the long-term or even short term effects) the fact that every single adverse reaction seems to so quickly be swept under the rug and deemed coincidental. For example, I know of three GBS cases within a 15 mile radius of there- that is fact. So I find it hard to believe only 6 have happened in the US. My other concern is that I am wondering if it is the swine virus part of it that is causing the GBS or problems not the other part that is the same as the regular flu.

Also, it is on the decline here so while we don't know what it will do, I am not thrilled about deciding to do as things are dying down. Oh and another reason, is since boosters can't be guaranteed, I'm not sure I want to "risk" it (albeit a tiny risk) when they still won't even be protected. People can say a little is better than none-- they think so and don't know, and I know many kids who have gotten h1n1 after one shot....

Hmm- what else? I do not think the govt is out to get us or this is some big scam, but the CDC does itself no favors by quickly saying anything is not related to the vaccine- it just seems fishy.

Bottom line, I couldn't live with myself if my kids got a complication from h1h1 that I could have tried to prevent so I may end up vaccinating, but the thoughts above are what give me pause.

Every pro-vax, no need to chime in. I already know the benefits, and like I said, I don't need to hear the scary stories. I know all of this-I am interested to hear people who are hesitant as I am...maybe no one on the board is.. which is fine.

[Anonymous]

Stories like these put me over the decision to vax:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...09112002734.html?hpid=newswell

Also, every single doc I have asked -- from seemingly 10 different specialties -- has recommended it. AND they have gotten it for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Hi - I was on the fence and am leaning towards not getting it for the kids. BTW - I am pro vax but this one I am not sure about.
My thoughts.....

My kids are not in school yet (if they were I would be more tempted to get the shot for them).
My dr did not have the shot until last week and I did not want to go stand in line in the cold with a baby and a toddler and now that he has it I actually do have to decide
I feel that so many ppl have either got the actual virus or has received the shot so I am hoping that the spread has died down and we have passed our peak.
The kids are vaccinated for the regular flu shot which I think we should start worrying about next
Lots of family and friends are doctors and have said the regular flu is much more serious than the swine flu, and the swine flu has been mild for most people. People will die from any illness, and the stats for the regular flu are much higher in deaths.
The CDC and media really have no idea to give statistics since no one is bothering to actually test sick ppl - they are "assuming" anyone with a fever has the virus and I beg to differ.
The vaccine does NOT guarantee you wont get sick.
Just my thoughts.....

[Anonymous]

1. The vaccine causes flu-like symptoms in a significant number of people;
2. The vaccine may not protect you from the flu -- you can get vaccinated, experience flu-like symptoms for a few days (fun), and then get the damn flu anyways, and
3. You can stave off the flu with good nutrition, exercise, sleep, frequent hand-washing, meditation, relaxation -- perhaps as well if not better than you can with a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. The vaccine causes flu-like symptoms in a significant number of people;
2. The vaccine may not protect you from the flu -- you can get vaccinated, experience flu-like symptoms for a few days (fun), and then get the damn flu anyways, and
3. You can stave off the flu with good nutrition, exercise, sleep, frequent hand-washing, meditation, relaxation -- perhaps as well if not better than you can with a vaccine.

I disagree with both.
1. it HAS to be that (unless it's the mist) that the person was exposed prior to getting the shot. A DEAD virus cannot give you flu-like symptoms.
3. While it helps to do those things, it's not some force field. Even the most Zen and hygenic people get the flu, esp this one that is so widespread.

[Anonymous]

I found these useful:

Esp this one:
http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=784

http://getbetterhealth.com/flu-vaccine-dystonia-cheerleaders-and-the-truth/2009.11.21

[Anonymous]

I know and have read about plenty of people vaccinated against the flu who came down with flu-like symptoms. CDC has posted the stats on it's own website. I can't stand the attitude of no, it could never happen it HAS to be that they were exposed before being innoculated. How utterly pretentious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know and have read about plenty of people vaccinated against the flu who came down with flu-like symptoms. CDC has posted the stats on it's own website. I can't stand the attitude of no, it could never happen it HAS to be that they were exposed before being innoculated. How utterly pretentious.

PP here. I too have heard of a tad lethargic, or sore arm, or low grade fever, stuffy nose, etc. but NOT full blown flu.

[Anonymous]

OP here-- I have read about people on this board who got their kids the shot and then they had 104 temp and were in the ER. I know this isn't the norm, and I am assuming it is highly unlikely to get the full blown flu- but people definitely get it after shot. There are 3 kids in my friends preschool out with h1n1 who all had shot : ( -- only the first one so far. Clearly just one doesn't work most for most as the CDC originally stated until there was shortage and they said one was good! Haha-- I am kidding, but it is these little things that make me wonder!

[Anonymous]

My kids got the shot. Side effects-->absolutely nothing.

Same with other kids I know.

If you want to go throwing around 'I know someone' stories you can add this to your list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids got the shot. Side effects-->absolutely nothing.

Same with other kids I know.

If you want to go throwing around 'I know someone' stories you can add this to your list.

Same here and about a dozen of my friends' kids.

[Anonymous]

I've decided not to get it (me or the kids) and I'm generally pro vaccination. I had already decided earlier this year not to get the annual seasonal flu shots. I felt that pediatricians here were pushing them when it's not really necessary. Sure, we should vaccinate against the big, deadly diseases, but working out what flu's are going to be around and getting vaccinated for ones that they guess but don't really know will hit us every year ... given the slim chance that we'd catch it ... it's just not for me. When I look at the numbers & consider the risks of getting flu (including H1N1), I don't feel it's necessary.

Reading these boards, you would think I was in the minority, but I saw on CNN that something like 52% of the population are planning not to get vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've decided not to get it (me or the kids) and I'm generally pro vaccination. I had already decided earlier this year not to get the annual seasonal flu shots. I felt that pediatricians here were pushing them when it's not really necessary. Sure, we should vaccinate against the big, deadly diseases, but working out what flu's are going to be around and getting vaccinated for ones that they guess but don't really know will hit us every year ... given the slim chance that we'd catch it ... it's just not for me. When I look at the numbers & consider the risks of getting flu (including H1N1), I don't feel it's necessary.

Reading these boards, you would think I was in the minority, but I saw on CNN that something like 52% of the population are planning not to get vaccinated.

I guess this is where this doesn't make sense in your argument. With all due respect, this doesn't at all apply to the H1N1. I totally see your point with the seasonal, and while we get it, I'm not as emphatic about it. But with the H1N1 -- we DO know the strain so there's no guessing, AND it's VERY likely you will catch it. So for this instance, I don't think your reasoning holds water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've decided not to get it (me or the kids) and I'm generally pro vaccination. I had already decided earlier this year not to get the annual seasonal flu shots. I felt that pediatricians here were pushing them when it's not really necessary. Sure, we should vaccinate against the big, deadly diseases, but working out what flu's are going to be around and getting vaccinated for ones that they guess but don't really know will hit us every year ... given the slim chance that we'd catch it ... it's just not for me. When I look at the numbers & consider the risks of getting flu (including H1N1), I don't feel it's necessary.

Reading these boards, you would think I was in the minority, but I saw on CNN that something like 52% of the population are planning not to get vaccinated.

I guess this is where this doesn't make sense in your argument. With all due respect, this doesn't at all apply to the H1N1. I totally see your point with the seasonal, and while we get it, I'm not as emphatic about it. But with the H1N1 -- we DO know the strain so there's no guessing, AND it's VERY likely you will catch it. So for this instance, I don't think your reasoning holds water.

What do you mean we're very likely to get it? 50% chance, 10%, what? What I mean is that I don't think the chances of us getting it or having a serious complication from it are strong enough to vaccinate. But if you have some evidence to show me this risk is actually what I would consider high, then I would re-consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here-- I have read about people on this board who got their kids the shot and then they had 104 temp and were in the ER. I know this isn't the norm, and I am assuming it is highly unlikely to get the full blown flu- but people definitely get it after shot. There are 3 kids in my friends preschool out with h1n1 who all had shot : ( -- only the first one so far. Clearly just one doesn't work most for most as the CDC originally stated until there was shortage and they said one was good! Haha-- I am kidding, but it is these little things that make me wonder!

The CDC never said one was good for kids under 9. The WHO has recommended spreading the vaccine around, but not the CDC, who have stuck behind the 2 doses for children part.

Bear in mind the WHO is speaking to all countries, many of whom are using adjuvants for better immune response in children than is present in our vaccine.

If one comes down with full blown flu after the vaccine, they DID catch it either beforehand or in line. Flu like symptoms from the mist, yes. From the shot, some mild achyness, soreness at injection site, etc, sure.