NCAA recruiting rules change for girls

[Anonymous]

I've heard rumors that NCAA is contemplating an even more restrictive set of recruiting rules for women's soccer, prohibiting contact between player and college coach, even if the college coach calls the club coach or if player contacts the college coach first. I'm not so sure a hard "no-contact" rule would be in the best interest of players, families, and colleges.

Anyone know where a draft of the new rules can be found? When is it up for a vote? When would it be instituted?

If it is as bad as I've heard, there could be an unintended flurry of recruiting activity in the very near future, before schools are forced to go dark.

[Anonymous]

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/di-council-adopts-rules-curb-early-recruiting

Looks like contact can begin June 15 after sophomore year, with visits after August 1, just before junior year.

Not sure if calls are restricted before then. Article says, "At the end of the day, these changes will eliminate students in the ninth grade and younger being recruited . . ."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've heard rumors that NCAA is contemplating an even more restrictive set of recruiting rules for women's soccer, prohibiting contact between player and college coach, even if the college coach calls the club coach or if player contacts the college coach first. I'm not so sure a hard "no-contact" rule would be in the best interest of players, families, and colleges.

Anyone know where a draft of the new rules can be found? When is it up for a vote? When would it be instituted?

If it is as bad as I've heard, there could be an unintended flurry of recruiting activity in the very near future, before schools are forced to go dark.

I believe I read it would go live on May 1. What I didn't see explicitly called out was could the college coach and club coach continue to discuss the specifics of a player prior to the June 15th after their sophomore year date.

[Anonymous]

Designed to curb on early recruiting, the proposal for most sports, including soccer would allow communication — either from or to a coach — on June 15 after the sophomore year of high school and would allow visits beginning Aug. 1 before the junior year of high school. Prior to those dates, zero communication is permitted between a college coach and club coaches or players. That includes any offers of a verbal scholarship.

[Anonymous]

New rules go into effect today. NCAA is attempting to prevent freshman from contacting coaches and vice versa.

What authority does the NCAA have over any 9th grade girl? If she wants to write a coach to inform them about an upcoming showcase, who cares? And what is the punishment if the child writes a coach? There seem to be free speech issues here - the NCAA can't tell anyone, let alone a 9th grade girl, that they can't write a coach an email. I understand the NCAA can regulate a coach's conduct or a school's conduct, but it has no jurisdiction over the kids.

All this is going to do is cause a gold rush on June 15, with the best talent getting offers, which they'll feel even more pressure to accept quickly. I think it may lead to less informed decisions, not better ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New rules go into effect today. NCAA is attempting to prevent freshman from contacting coaches and vice versa.

What authority does the NCAA have over any 9th grade girl? If she wants to write a coach to inform them about an upcoming showcase, who cares? And what is the punishment if the child writes a coach? There seem to be free speech issues here - the NCAA can't tell anyone, let alone a 9th grade girl, that they can't write a coach an email. I understand the NCAA can regulate a coach's conduct or a school's conduct, but it has no jurisdiction over the kids.

All this is going to do is cause a gold rush on June 15, with the best talent getting offers, which they'll feel even more pressure to accept quickly. I think it may lead to less informed decisions, not better ones.

Your DD can still contact the College Coach regarding upcoming schedules. The ONLY THING that has changed is the ability for the pplayer and coach to talk over the phone prior to June 15th of Sophomore year.

This does put a greater emphasis on the club coach as conduit. College coaches can give feedback they just can't communicate any recruitment info.

A college coach could tell a club coach: "We think Mia has some attributes that can be effective at this level"

A college coach cannot tell a club coach: "We see Mia filling in at the 10 in our program"

[Anonymous]

FPYCparent wrote:Going on a tangent for a second. My U11 DD regularly plays against a club team that is coached by a Division 3 women's head coach. Given that the girls on that team are only 10 and 11 now, at what point (if any) will that team drift into the murky waters of recruiting, (un)allowable coach/player contact, and NCAA violations? Are the rules different at D3 than at D1?

Rules of contact with D3 are much more relaxed than D1 & D2. Contact can happen at anytime through HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New rules go into effect today. NCAA is attempting to prevent freshman from contacting coaches and vice versa.

What authority does the NCAA have over any 9th grade girl? If she wants to write a coach to inform them about an upcoming showcase, who cares? And what is the punishment if the child writes a coach? There seem to be free speech issues here - the NCAA can't tell anyone, let alone a 9th grade girl, that they can't write a coach an email. I understand the NCAA can regulate a coach's conduct or a school's conduct, but it has no jurisdiction over the kids.

All this is going to do is cause a gold rush on June 15, with the best talent getting offers, which they'll feel even more pressure to accept quickly. I think it may lead to less informed decisions, not better ones.

Your DD can still contact the College Coach regarding upcoming schedules. The ONLY THING that has changed is the ability for the pplayer and coach to talk over the phone prior to June 15th of Sophomore year.

This does put a greater emphasis on the club coach as conduit. College coaches can give feedback they just can't communicate any recruitment info.

A college coach could tell a club coach: "We think Mia has some attributes that can be effective at this level"

A college coach cannot tell a club coach: "We see Mia filling in at the 10 in our program"

Both examples would be violations under the new rule that goes into effect today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New rules go into effect today. NCAA is attempting to prevent freshman from contacting coaches and vice versa.

What authority does the NCAA have over any 9th grade girl? If she wants to write a coach to inform them about an upcoming showcase, who cares? And what is the punishment if the child writes a coach? There seem to be free speech issues here - the NCAA can't tell anyone, let alone a 9th grade girl, that they can't write a coach an email. I understand the NCAA can regulate a coach's conduct or a school's conduct, but it has no jurisdiction over the kids.

All this is going to do is cause a gold rush on June 15, with the best talent getting offers, which they'll feel even more pressure to accept quickly. I think it may lead to less informed decisions, not better ones.

Your DD can still contact the College Coach regarding upcoming schedules. The ONLY THING that has changed is the ability for the pplayer and coach to talk over the phone prior to June 15th of Sophomore year.

This does put a greater emphasis on the club coach as conduit. College coaches can give feedback they just can't communicate any recruitment info.

A college coach could tell a club coach: "We think Mia has some attributes that can be effective at this level"

A college coach cannot tell a club coach: "We see Mia filling in at the 10 in our program"

Both examples would be violations under the new rule that goes into effect today.

No they are not both in violation. Club coaches and college coaches may still communicate.

The college coach may speak of the players abilities in general. They cannot indicate their level of interest in the player or speak of their abilities as they pertain to the player and their program. They simply can’t recruit through back channels.

If you know of language specifically that address my points we would all benefit if you could cite and share it. The last thing a thread like this needs is to make things murkier. So, please, feel free to disagree with me but we’d all appreciate it if you would be willing to back it up facts.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

The college coach can express an interest in the student athlete and that’s it. The student can then initiate contact with the college coach if they want or not.

Your example is a violation because the coach is discussing information beyond “we are interested in MIA”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The college coach can express an interest in the student athlete and that’s it. The student can then initiate contact with the college coach if they want or not.

Your example is a violation because the coach is discussing information beyond “we are interested in MIA”

There is nothing in there that says a college coach cannot speak with a club coach about a player. They just can't talk to the player directly is all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college coach can express an interest in the student athlete and that’s it. The student can then initiate contact with the college coach if they want or not.

Your example is a violation because the coach is discussing information beyond “we are interested in MIA”

There is nothing in there that says a college coach cannot speak with a club coach about a player. They just can't talk to the player directly is all.

Wrong. Read this

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-soccer/recruiting-rules-calendar

[Anonymous]

Smarty pants wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college coach can express an interest in the student athlete and that’s it. The student can then initiate contact with the college coach if they want or not.

Your example is a violation because the coach is discussing information beyond “we are interested in MIA”

There is nothing in there that says a college coach cannot speak with a club coach about a player. They just can't talk to the player directly is all.

Wrong. Read this

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-soccer/recruiting-rules-calendar

Maybe you're having trouble reading. From your reference (which is BTW, not an official source):

"While club or high school coaches can relay information between the athlete and college coach, these conversations cannot be related to recruiting. College coaches can only express interest in an athlete."

This allows conversations between college coach and club coach. They can express interest. So your player can write emails, ask to attend showcases etc, they just will not receive anything back regarding recruiting. I believe they will continue to respond back with id camp invites just as they did prior to May 1. The only things that have changed are the 1) the dates for formal contact, and 2) that college coaches can no longer answer a player's calls directly. This prohibits early offers of any kind, but does not prohibit communication via coaches. Early communication was typically handled this way anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Smarty pants wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The college coach can express an interest in the student athlete and that’s it. The student can then initiate contact with the college coach if they want or not.

Your example is a violation because the coach is discussing information beyond “we are interested in MIA”

There is nothing in there that says a college coach cannot speak with a club coach about a player. They just can't talk to the player directly is all.

Wrong. Read this

https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-soccer/recruiting-rules-calendar

Maybe you're having trouble reading. From your reference (which is BTW, not an official source):

"While club or high school coaches can relay information between the athlete and college coach, these conversations cannot be related to recruiting. College coaches can only express interest in an athlete."

This allows conversations between college coach and club coach. They can express interest. So your player can write emails, ask to attend showcases etc, they just will not receive anything back regarding recruiting. I believe they will continue to respond back with id camp invites just as they did prior to May 1. The only things that have changed are the 1) the dates for formal contact, and 2) that college coaches can no longer answer a player's calls directly. This prohibits early offers of any kind, but does not prohibit communication via coaches. Early communication was typically handled this way anyway.

Don’t be an asshole. It clearly says the conversations can not be related to recruiting. If you think that means the club and college coach can talk about a player you are stupid too.

LoL. You can close your eyes, but it won't make you right.

[Anonymous]

Which has more credibility - a well known recruiting website or an anonymous poster?

No more recruiting conversations between a club and college coach. Pretty clear.