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Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Dumb interview. The interviewer was an idiot!


NP. The interview questions were dumb but it was interesting hearing from the doctor.


Question for those with more medical knowledge than I have: the doctor mentions that one of the survivors donating convalescent serum Type O blood and the other has Type A. I thought that O is a universal donor type, so wouldn't that be an option even if a patient doesn't have that blood type?


Plasma is the opposite of packed red cells in terms of donor types. It has something to do with the fact that the plasma is where the antibodies are, while the blood cells are where the antigens are.

So, while O- is the universal donor for blood cells, AB+is the universal donor for plasma.

Blood types O and A are more common than AB or B, especially among white people and Hispanics, so it's not surprising that Brantley, who has A and can donate to anyone with O or A has matched so many patients. Unfortunately Duncan must have had AB or B blood.


If it was my family member, I would have paid to have plasma from a type B survivor in Liberia flown to the USA.


Yeah, I don't think Duncan's family had that kind of money.


Beyond the money, it's just not as easy logistically as you make it sound. Ebola is hitting the rural parts of Liberia much much harder than the cities, so if there are Type B survivors they are in villages somewhere. It's hard to track down who they are; it's not like you can just tweet it out or even take out a newspaper ad and expect them to see it; most are so poor they don't even have that kind of access to news. If they somehow see/hear about it, it's a huge chance that they just know they got better -- they may have no clue about blood types. And even if you ID a survivor with the right blood type, say through drs. w/o borders -- it is logistically a huge challenge to have the blood drawn and flown all the way here quick enough. Unless you've got the US military or some kind of medical transport team helping out, how do you guarantee that it gets on the first flights out of there and goes directly to Dallas with the appropriate refrigeration etc.!? Easier said than done.


It can be done, they move other tissues around quickly. They have MANY survivors in Monrovia who are type B blood. That is about 20% of the survivors in Monrovia. That said, Duncan's family would not have known how to advocate. Even so, the US govt would have been soooo sluggish, that by the time travel clearance was allowed, he would have been dead.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Dumb interview. The interviewer was an idiot!


NP. The interview questions were dumb but it was interesting hearing from the doctor.


Question for those with more medical knowledge than I have: the doctor mentions that one of the survivors donating convalescent serum Type O blood and the other has Type A. I thought that O is a universal donor type, so wouldn't that be an option even if a patient doesn't have that blood type?


Plasma is the opposite of packed red cells in terms of donor types. It has something to do with the fact that the plasma is where the antibodies are, while the blood cells are where the antigens are.

So, while O- is the universal donor for blood cells, AB+is the universal donor for plasma.

Blood types O and A are more common than AB or B, especially among white people and Hispanics, so it's not surprising that Brantley, who has A and can donate to anyone with O or A has matched so many patients. Unfortunately Duncan must have had AB or B blood.


If it was my family member, I would have paid to have plasma from a type B survivor in Liberia flown to the USA.


Sounds great in theory but how exactly would you locate someone like this and arrange for the transfer in time to do any good?


Put out an ad in the cities, anyone with type B blood who survived Ebola gets $100 to show up for some tests. After about 100 people (some will say they "thought" they had type B blood, some will say they "thought" they had Ebola) you will have 5 good donors.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Dumb interview. The interviewer was an idiot!


NP. The interview questions were dumb but it was interesting hearing from the doctor.


Question for those with more medical knowledge than I have: the doctor mentions that one of the survivors donating convalescent serum Type O blood and the other has Type A. I thought that O is a universal donor type, so wouldn't that be an option even if a patient doesn't have that blood type?


Plasma is the opposite of packed red cells in terms of donor types. It has something to do with the fact that the plasma is where the antibodies are, while the blood cells are where the antigens are.

So, while O- is the universal donor for blood cells, AB+is the universal donor for plasma.

Blood types O and A are more common than AB or B, especially among white people and Hispanics, so it's not surprising that Brantley, who has A and can donate to anyone with O or A has matched so many patients. Unfortunately Duncan must have had AB or B blood.


If it was my family member, I would have paid to have plasma from a type B survivor in Liberia flown to the USA.


Yeah, you can order that off of Google (while you are quarantined in your apartment building)
Anonymous
Great news! Spanish nurse Teresa Romero, declared Ebola-free:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/ebola-crisis/index.html
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Wow. How an he can talk about this? That is the biggest HIPPAA violation.

My impression of this hospital continues to deteriorate.


It is not a violation if they got permission from the patients or families of patients


Duncan doesn't have any family here. I doubt that the doctor had permission. If I were the attorney for the hospital, I would be having kittens about now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Wow. How an he can talk about this? That is the biggest HIPPAA violation.

My impression of this hospital continues to deteriorate.


It is not a violation if they got permission from the patients or families of patients


Duncan doesn't have any family here. I doubt that the doctor had permission. If I were the attorney for the hospital, I would be having kittens about now.


He has both a mother and an adult son in this country.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Wow. How an he can talk about this? That is the biggest HIPPAA violation.

My impression of this hospital continues to deteriorate.


It is not a violation if they got permission from the patients or families of patients


Duncan doesn't have any family here. I doubt that the doctor had permission. If I were the attorney for the hospital, I would be having kittens about now.


I guarantee you there's no way this guy went on TV without clearance from the hospital's legal team. No one who valued their job (as he seems to) would do otherwise.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Wow. How an he can talk about this? That is the biggest HIPPAA violation.

My impression of this hospital continues to deteriorate.


I really, really love this Doctor. When asked if nurses volunteered to care for Duncan, he said, "...this is the essence of nursing". So true!! And to have it said by an MD. I'm a nurse, and that is exactly what that is...the essence of nursing.

And to the PP (it's 'HIPAA') BTW - the family signed a release. He had permission to talk about Duncan.
Anonymous
Are we still freaked out about Ebola this week? Or is ISIS getting everybody talking about Obama again?

Just want to get the right talking points for Monday's water cooler conversations.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Great news! Spanish nurse Teresa Romero, declared Ebola-free:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/ebola-crisis/index.html


That is wonderful! Does anyone know if she was diagnosed early (like Nina Pham etc) or late (like Duncan). I am trying to figure out how much correlation there seems to be between early diagnosis and survival.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great news! Spanish nurse Teresa Romero, declared Ebola-free:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/ebola-crisis/index.html


That is wonderful! Does anyone know if she was diagnosed early (like Nina Pham etc) or late (like Duncan). I am trying to figure out how much correlation there seems to be between early diagnosis and survival.


IIRC, they said she'd been having symptoms (mainly fever) for at least five days before she came in to the hospital. I think she was out of town on vacation at the time.
Anonymous
Hard to tell. They are both so similar.

One is medically contagious, the other is culturally contagious.

One is in Africa, the other is in the Middle East.

In both, women dealing with it should wear gloves.

Both lead to horrible deaths and leave chaos in their wake.

Both are difficult to contain.

We know how to contain one, but it will be a long, hard slog.

The other we have no idea how to contain, but our floundering will be a long hard slog.

You can help fight one by donating to Medicins Sans Frontieres. There is nothing you personally can do to help fight the other.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great news! Spanish nurse Teresa Romero, declared Ebola-free:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/ebola-crisis/index.html


That is wonderful! Does anyone know if she was diagnosed early (like Nina Pham etc) or late (like Duncan). I am trying to figure out how much correlation there seems to be between early diagnosis and survival.


There was an article in the Post today with a graphic showing the timeline. The average time from exposure to symptoms is 8 days, and most who end up surviving start to improve I think it was four days after symptoms develop.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hard to tell. They are both so similar.

One is medically contagious, the other is culturally contagious.

One is in Africa, the other is in the Middle East.

In both, women dealing with it should wear gloves.

Both lead to horrible deaths and leave chaos in their wake.

Both are difficult to contain.

We know how to contain one, but it will be a long, hard slog.

The other we have no idea how to contain, but our floundering will be a long hard slog.

You can help fight one by donating to Medicins Sans Frontieres. There is nothing you personally can do to help fight the other.


Excellent, pp
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:FYI, a really great and informative interview with one of the doctors who treated Thomas Duncan in Dallas:

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/18/texas-health-presbyterian-doctor-talks-about-ebola-response/17483917/


Wow. How an he can talk about this? That is the biggest HIPPAA violation.

My impression of this hospital continues to deteriorate.


It is not a violation if they got permission from the patients or families of patients


Or if the former patient is dead.
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