Stokes Article and immersion schools

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I am not sure if this was posted earlier, but it shows in detail the challenges operating an "HRCS" which serves at risk and ELL students well.

https://tcf.org/content/report/elsie-whitlow-stokes-community-freedom-public-charter-school/

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Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

Is this anecdotal?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

I thought the article was interesting but fairly superficial. Agree that the real issues concern class, not race.

The author dances around the issue UMC immersion families often making these programs work by paying a lot supplement. When you don't speak a target language at home, obviously the best way to ensure that your children speak decently it is to supplement what an immersion program is doing to teach them like mad, which can cost a bomb. My family has spent 6 figures hosting au pairs by now to ensure that our kids really speak the target language. Without the au pairs, the kids would only speak the language minimally, like the low-SES kids at our charter whose families don't speak the language!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

Is this anecdotal?

Ask AA UMC families tomweigh jn. They are the first to bail on DC schools. And move to suburbs. The gentrificationnis from white families willing to take a chance on a title 1 school.

[Anonymous]

I'm one of those AA families who sent their child through WOTP schools; our IB was Brightwood. Didn't want to bail to the burbs as our jobs were downtown at the time.

DC is now a sophomore in college, but we are glad we made the decision to lottery back when it "wasn't" a thing and chances were great.

[Anonymous]

This was an interesting point:
(It is also noteworthy that only 24 percent of the District’s English language learners, who are predominantly low-income and nearly 75 percent of whom speak Spanish, are enrolled at these dual-language schools, most of which teach in both English and Spanish.10)

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Anonymous wrote:This was an interesting point:
(It is also noteworthy that only 24 percent of the District’s English language learners, who are predominantly low-income and nearly 75 percent of whom speak Spanish, are enrolled at these dual-language schools, most of which teach in both English and Spanish.10)

Yes, that shows why some people are getting angry about the schools' failure to serve this population, although the anger is probably directed the wrong way (at the schools and the white families who attend them, not the city education regs).

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I think the article shows is that most white / higher SES families will only go to a school once it is "proven," and then they apply in droves.

For charters proven tends to means decent test scores and outcomes and a permanent location. The leading edge classes are always more diverse racial and economically. Lots of white families hang back until the school has a few years under its belt and more stability.

Once that happens the school no longer reflects the kind community that helped make it viable.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the article shows is that most white / higher SES families will only go to a school once it is "proven," and then they apply in droves.

For charters proven tends to means decent test scores and outcomes and a permanent location. The leading edge classes are always more diverse racial and economically. Lots of white families hang back until the school has a few years under its belt and more stability.

Once that happens the school no longer reflects the kind community that helped make it viable.

Maybe in general, but this doesn't seem to be the case with CMI. White/higher SES families were applying in droves even before any metrics/outcomes were available, and before a permanent location.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

Is this anecdotal?

Ask AA UMC families tomweigh jn. They are the first to bail on DC schools. And move to suburbs. The gentrificationnis from white families willing to take a chance on a title 1 school.

The only school I know of that has a sizable number of middle/upper middle class black families is Shepherd. And even then, many in the neighborhood do private/parochial for their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

Is this anecdotal?

Ask AA UMC families tomweigh jn. They are the first to bail on DC schools. And move to suburbs. The gentrificationnis from white families willing to take a chance on a title 1 school.

The only school I know of that has a sizable number of middle/upper middle class black families is Shepherd. And even then, many in the neighborhood do private/parochial for their kids.

Just adding--many of the younger AA families in the neighborhood seem much more willing to do public IB schools all the way through. Most of the AA families with teens I know are doing private, Walls, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article but a little lacking. They assume that it’s only white families who seek out schools with fewer title 1 kids. Simply not true. UMC black and Latino families also seek out those same school. UMC lack families are the least likely to consider a DCPS school at all and most fled to the suburbs and still choose that over DCPS
Or charters. I don’t think it’s a crime for a parent to want to avoid many of the issues that come with a high poverty student population. I don’t think that makes them a bad parent just shows they are informed about the realities and correlation and causation Between poverty, low test scores and behavioral problems.

Is this anecdotal?

Ask AA UMC families tomweigh jn. They are the first to bail on DC schools. And move to suburbs. The gentrificationnis from white families willing to take a chance on a title 1 school.

The only school I know of that has a sizable number of middle/upper middle class black families is Shepherd. And even then, many in the neighborhood do private/parochial for their kids.

Right. And what percentage of those kids will go to deal? A lot less than from the other, whiter feeders.