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Can't have small containers of applesauce in carry-on luggage for flight
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Anonymous
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I just flew from Canada with my 4 year old and we couldn't bring 113 mg containers of applesauce because the security person claimed that 1 mg = 1 ml applesauce even though I argued that the conversion to volume would depend on the density of the liquid. That was obviously beyond her. She kept referring to the conversion for water and didn't understand that it applied only to water. DUH!! And even if did exceed the 3.4 oz, it didn't matter that he was 4. My son asked why his applesauce was being taken away and I said that it was because they didn't believe it was just applesauce.
I looked at the TSA guidelines and see there is an allowance for baby food, breastmilk, and juice to exceed the 3.4 oz limit. Has anyone had trouble bringing a bottle of juice greater than 3.4 oz in volume for a preschooler onboard? Also I had to buy a bottle of Motrin on this trip for fever - it's 120 ml. Will that be fine since it's medication? I wish there could some leeway for these security people to apply some judgement to the situation. |
Anonymous
| Really? All this over applesauce? Your snide comments here make me think you were being a pain there and they weren't inclined to bend the rules for you. Can't blame them. |
Anonymous
Stuff it, if you'd been in her shoes, you'd be snide posting here too. The problem is whatever regulations exist aren't applied consistently, and that once they make a decision, even if it's wrong, they will not listen to you. I've never heard of applesauce being denied, but I'm sure it happens every day when some idiot decides it's time to exert their power over a 4 year old. I've traveled with little kids and been subject to all sorts of idiocy like this. I actually didn't have a problem the one time I took over 3 oz of medicine (it was a new bottle, sealed and everything). They made me unseal and open it so they could put some on some little test strip that I'm sure does nothing, but it was allowed through. Just make sure that medicine is in a different little baggie than things like shampoo and stuff. |
Anonymous
Really? If that's what your impressions are based on the description, then you're just projecting your own issues - you are the pain here. |
Anonymous
| Your 4 yr old couldn't survive a few hours without applesauce? Let's hope life doesn't get any tougher. |
Anonymous
OP here - thanks for the tip. I'll put the Motrin with the bottle of amoxicillin. It turned out he has Strep throat and being sick probably contributed to the fuss he made about his applesauce being taken away at security. |
Anonymous
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I am glad the TSA people were doing their job. I am sure you had no nefarious intent, but others may try to bring explosives aboard disguised as something benign. Here is a link to TSA's website. Check out the video at the bottom where they show an explosion from a very small amount of liquid.
http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/liquids_ban.shtm Myth Liquids aren't a threat, and TSA should drop the liquid ban immediately. Buster When the U.K. plot was foiled on Aug. 10, 2006, TSA was faced with a novel threat - a liquid explosive that looks just like regular liquids on our current x-ray system: Photo of liquids, including an explosive X-ray photo of the same liquids Until we could fully explore the extent of the threat we had two options, ban all liquids or take no action in the face of this thwarted plot and current threat. DHS and TSA officials made the decision to ban all liquids through the checkpoint. Because our screening technology for checked luggage can detect an assembled bomb- our concern focuses on the passenger checkpoint. Following eight weeks of extensive research by some of the world’s leading explosives experts, TSA and its international partners developed the current 3-1-1 policy: 3 ounce containers, inside a 1-quart clear, plastic zip-top bag, 1 bag per passenger. 3 ounces of liquid are well within the threat threshold, and the volume also closely coordinates with the international standard of 100 milliliters. The 1-quart bag also serves two purposes, limiting the total volume of liquids and de-cluttering carry-on bags so our officers get a good, clear look at what’s inside. We also paid close attention to the idea of terrorists combining multiple small bottles in a larger container or combining many small bottles together after going through the checkpoint. Due to the extreme volatility of liquid explosives, the international consensus was that those scenarios don’t represent a significant threat. Thanks to this unprecedented international cooperation, 67 countries, a great majority of the world’s air travelers are under a common set of security rules for the first time. A couple implausible scenarios aside, liquids remain a real threat to aviation security. We know this through our intelligence sources around the world. We remain at aviation sector level Orange for good reason, and the liquid ban remains in effect for good reason. TSA has already begun deploying promising liquid explosives detection technology for pilot testing at airports, and we anticipate having more than 200 of these hand-held devices in place by Fall 2007. So, how much damage could a liquid explosive cause? See for yourself: Click here to view the video. (5.9Mb, wmv) Until we can deploy liquid explosives detection capability at every checkpoint lane in the country, liquids remain a threat and the liquid ban continues to be a key security measure. |
Anonymous
| If TSA is concerned with explosive liquids, why don't they just make you take a sip of your bottled water or whatever to prove it's not some toxic chemical? That's what they initially did before they decided to restrict the amount of liquids onboard. |
Anonymous
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Sad times all around the world. Our lives are relatively easy. I think we need to prep our kids before going through air line security. The first time we took our daughter through security after 9/11, none of us were prepared, so we didn't prepare her. It was really upsetting to be less than 2, with a clear plastic cup of milk w/ straw, purchased a few feet away, and have that taken away, get separated from her parents (due to a computer or something in our carry-on that slowed down the search) have everyone's shoes taken away....
We learned fast, and talked to her about what to expect in the future, and chatted her through the wait lines, etc. I realize, all the chit chat won't help with the really little ones. I get really irritated with security too, but mostly when they're rude. When they're kind to the kids- even when holding the line on regs- it does make it easier. Still, if we stifle our own irritation, & come prepared for things that seem inane on the surface, we help the kids learn to handle annoying situations in life. Thanks 7:52. It was alot of info. |
Anonymous
| Nope, stick to cheerios and other dry snacks for the flight. |
Anonymous
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It is possible to bring applesauce on board, and in fact, I've done it. The only difference between me and OP was that I had a baby (14 months old) with me and it got passed through as baby food. So why would the very same applesauce be a problem for a 4 year old?
Sure, liquids can be used for explosives. The issue is that there are some liquids allowed through. And some aren't. And the distinction is pretty arbitrary, and if a terrorist really wanted to put liquid explosives on a plane, they likely would be able to do so relatively easily. I personally don't feel like all the hoo-ha over liquids on board has really made me safer. It just gives the TSA something to puff up their chests over. |
Anonymous
7:52 here - fine if you only have water, but I personally would not be interested in sipping my shampoo or conditioner! The current process has been extensively studied here and in numerous other countries. It is a sound risk mitigation approach until better technology becomes available. |
Anonymous
| Didn't Britney Spears just get let through security by TSA with a Big Gulp filled with soda? |
Anonymous
All that is well and good, but since the density of applesauce is nearly 1.0 (it's pretty much all water), I don't see how you were actually right. The specific gravity would have to be greater than 1.27, and I don't think that is likely. |
Anonymous
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You are supposed to be able to travel with baby food:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/children/formula.shtm Why wouldn't the applesauce be allowed on? Was it "normal" applesauce vs a "baby food" brand? |