Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:Reports that the shooter was bullied mercilessly at school due to a lisp and stutter. More red flags.

Maybe he was rejected by his classmates and peers for being an evil psychopath.

Write whatever narrative brings you comfort. Bullied, incel man-children with guns are a real and present danger.

Yes, they are.

Can we stop with the anti-bullying campaigns at schools? People have made a fortune from those. Maybe some kids deserve to be red-flagged for being weird.

We’re not going to improve anything by embracing bullying. I was bullied my entire childhood for being small, nerdy and having over-protective parents. Of course I didn’t shoot up a school or anything like that, but it ruined my life. I’m not a risk to others but I am a threat to myself and a burden on my family and on society.
It possible to be kind to people who are a bit different and still keep an eye out for danger.
Maybe these hyperbolic reactions like “ostracize weird people!” and “institutionalize people with depression!” instead of nuanced solutions are partly to blame for why nothing ever changes.

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You wanna talk about politicizing deaths…I’m sorry but our politicians are supposed to develop laws to keep this country safe. That is literally their job. What exactly do you expect them to be doing?

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We’re not going to improve anything by embracing bullying. I was bullied my entire childhood for being small, nerdy and having over-protective parents. Of course I didn’t shoot up a school or anything like that, but it ruined my life.

Welcome Senator Rubio! MAGA Nation!

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We’re not going to improve anything by embracing bullying. I was bullied my entire childhood for being small, nerdy and having over-protective parents. Of course I didn’t shoot up a school or anything like that, but it ruined my life.

Welcome Senator Rubio! MAGA Nation!

Nope. Rand Paul.

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Ban the sale of all AR 15s or any other automatic weapons. No one needs to own them.

Seriously, if you need a weapon like that for hunting, then perhaps you should look at other sports.

Increase the legal age of gun sales to 21. There is no 18-year-old that needs to own a weapon.

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Why can’t we be more like New Zealand? It just took one shooting for that country.

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Anonymous wrote:So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

I worry for your patients if you are this naïve. You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards? My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid" twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

Yes I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal.

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.

I agree with you. A locked door would have stopped him or slowed him down.

I just drove past the school my kids attended. From this busy road I could see the PE classes outside playing softball and other games. Are you proposing that kids be locked inside always?

A month ago a sniper live-streamed as he fired more than 200 rounds at kids in a DC school.

Wait, what?

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Anonymous wrote:So I'm sure this has been asked and answered in this thread but I can't comb through 30 pages.

Obviously gun control is the answer here. But in lieu of actual sensible reform, why can we not secure these school buildings? I work in a hospital. It's badge in, badge out. No exceptions. There's three big-@ss security guards at every door (and only two entrances). No sketchy teen with a backpack full of anything is getting past these guys.

I'm trying to figure out how an 18 yo blows into an elementary school in body armor with a backpack. Why wouldn't we start with a simple security fix??

I worry for your patients if you are this naïve. You think a gun can’t get past three “big @ss” security guards? My dear, that is the entire point of a gun- to give the weakest, flabbiest man the power to kill anyone or anything.

Ignoring your rude comment towards my patients, security guards are *but one* measure of establishing safeguards around a vulnerable population. Others include ID requirements, badge access, check in/out, etc etc. The county courthouse should not be safer than the elementary school. My point is that building security is low-hanging fruit and should be addressed while we work towards safer gun laws.

Doubling down on the stupid, I see.

I'm the hospital worker suggesting increased building security. I've been called "stupid" twice in 4 posts, PP is "worried for my patients". This kind of combative, insulting behavior is why we can't have discussions at this time in our country.

Yes I know you can "shoot your way into a building", as someone else put it. That's not what happened in this scenario, nor is it usually the case. This kid walked into the building. No I don't think "big guys" can stop bullets. Many layers of protection are needed if security is the goal.

There is nothing that will stop these events other than sensible gun control. Nothing. Most Americans (including me) support that. We have 50 sitting senators not listening to the majority of Americans. So what are we doing about that? Obviously we need to vote them out and lobby for what's right. Also, tomorrow another one of these shootings will happen. Asking aloud what we're doing to prevent another school shooting tomorrow isn't "stupid". Anyone hurling insults, wringing their hands, or "sending thoughts and prayers" without also making practical suggestions is part of the problem. Gun control is the answer. I will do everything I can as a voting citizen to get us there. The question is how we are keeping our kids safe today.

I agree with you. A locked door would have stopped him or slowed him down.

I just drove past the school my kids attended. From this busy road I could see the PE classes outside playing softball and other games. Are you proposing that kids be locked inside always?

A month ago a sniper live-streamed as he fired more than 200 rounds at kids in a DC school.

Wait, what?

Burke in Van Ness

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052969.page

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Anonymous wrote:Ban the sale of all AR 15s or any other automatic weapons. No one needs to own them.

Seriously, if you need a weapon like that for hunting, then perhaps you should look at other sports.

Increase the legal age of gun sales to 21. There is no 18-year-old that needs to own a weapon.

Or increase the legal age to own a gun to 25. Frontal lobe starts being fully formed then. Too many 16-21 year old men who are so screwed up they shoot up schools and other places. Young men should not ever be allowed near guns.

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Anonymous wrote:You wanna talk about politicizing deaths…I’m sorry but our politicians are supposed to develop laws to keep this country safe. That is literally their job. What exactly do you expect them to be doing?

Just ignore. It's the same idiots who claim Black people cause racism by talking about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we we get steel schools doors, and then make double doors and put bars on the windows, and add a metal detector, and add armed officers patrolling the school perimeter and only let students out in protected court yard during recess...

maybe we should imprison our school kids so some white male redneck can keep his AR-15 in his trailer?

So over dramatized. Steel bars - really? Sounds over the top.

Why the black and white, either/or thinking?

Why is it mutually exclusive choice in your mind - like either:

A) zero security with no AR-15s, or

B) have tons of security with AR-15s still legal?

Why not some combination of protections?

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Anonymous wrote:Ban the sale of all AR 15s or any other automatic weapons. No one needs to own them.

Seriously, if you need a weapon like that for hunting, then perhaps you should look at other sports.

Increase the legal age of gun sales to 21. There is no 18-year-old that needs to own a weapon.

Or increase the legal age to own a gun to 25. Frontal lobe starts being fully formed then. Too many 16-21 year old men who are so screwed up they shoot up schools and other places. Young men should not ever be allowed near guns.

I'm the pp and I agree with you. Increase the legal age to purchase a gun to 25. You have my support on that.

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I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel frustrated because there is literally nothing me (as an average person) can do to change this or stop it happening.

Vote for public officials who support gun control, and work to get them elected.

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

I'm sure you realize most women work, and therefore home schooling isn't really an option for them.

Between Roe being overturned and schools becoming untenable, I'm kind of feeling like this might be the whole point. Keep em barefoot, pregnant and at home.

I’m sure you realize it’s not only mothers who can homeschool. Stop being so sexist.

Interestingly, most statistics I can find don't mention the gender of the homeschooling teacher. Can you find a link that suggests a significant percentage of dads homeschooling while moms work? I cannot.

Check your compression. I said either parent may homeschool.

Yes, they CAN. Do you have any data that suggests that fathers engage in homeschooling on a significant level? Because I live in a community with a lot of homeschoolers and they are ALL the moms. #anecdotal