ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

9-1 to 7-31 August plays grad year. There.. i contributed to 1000

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm a club with pre-ecnl starting at 2015 now? I'm filling that team with q3 q4 kids at tryouts this year.

No you’re not…you’re filling it with the best kids in that age band that fill your roster.

All this complaining about RAE, and nobody seems to get how RAE works.

The coach will prefer Q3/Q4 bench players than Q1/Q2 bench. Starters are from the best players regardless Q.

Nice dream.

The coach prefers bench players that have an impact. Not bench players with some magical birthday. But you go on thinking the the birthday is the most important thing,

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think ECNL will allow states to set their own cutoff (say either 8/1 or 9/1) and not have something uniform across the entire league?

Lower level leagues will have different cutoffs per state. But ECNL will have a league standard for cut offs.

ECNL will go 9/1 for league and nationals. Showcases will be Grad year.
So don’t worry your August kid will still get to play with their grade for college recruiting.

Nobody is going grad year 😆

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think ECNL will allow states to set their own cutoff (say either 8/1 or 9/1) and not have something uniform across the entire league?

Lower level leagues will have different cutoffs per state. But ECNL will have a league standard for cut offs.

ECNL will go 9/1 for league and nationals. Showcases will be Grad year.
So don’t worry your August kid will still get to play with their grade for college recruiting.

Huh? So they throw some Aug kids onto a team they don’t know/train with for a showcase or two? Or, and hear me out, they just move the cutoff to 8/1 like it was before?

Having options for rec and state wide leagues makes sense. But a solution for a national leagues has to include all state’s cutoffs.

That’s what I’m hearing. Yes 8/1 would lead to less trapped players but would also lead to more kids not playing in their school grade because the majority of state start 9/1 or later.

Set to 9/1 to avoid the reverse trap. For Aug. kids who can still make the NL team as the youngest will have a chance for college recruiting, so they can join the younger team during the showcase. If Aug. kids can not make NL team, they will have little hope for college. People needs to understand the ECNL intention to switch to SY is to align team for better college recruiting opportunity. Reduce trap players is a byproduct of this change.

There is no reverse trap. You could play up.

Your logic is stupid. Set to Aug. 1 will cause reverse trap to happen. And Aug. players have to play up to avoid the newly created trap on them.

Any date will create this scenario. So the analysis should be what date captures the most kids within a grade. I don’t have stats for this, so don’t “come at me bro”, but it has been my observation that kids born in Aug with Sept 1 cutoffs are about 50/50 with starting school later. Meaning instead of being the youngest in their grade, they’re the oldest. It is also true that many states have cutoffs before Sept. 1, but not all, and at least one I believe is July 31. So if you’re a national league with the goal of grouping grades, Aug 1 is more inclusive than Sept 1 even though there will be a small number of kids that would not be aligned with their grade. But no matter what you pick, kids will not be aligned so the goal should be to align the most. Personally it has no impact on my kid, but it’s fascinating to me back and forth on this issue when dealing with a national league because it seems pretty easy. Locally, if you’re a state only league, then yeah, stick to whatever your state’s cutoff is if you want. That ranges between July and December.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm a club with pre-ecnl starting at 2015 now? I'm filling that team with q3 q4 kids at tryouts this year.

No you’re not…you’re filling it with the best kids in that age band that fill your roster.

All this complaining about RAE, and nobody seems to get how RAE works.

The coach will prefer Q3/Q4 bench players than Q1/Q2 bench. Starters are from the best players regardless Q.

Nice dream.

The coach prefers bench players that have an impact. Not bench players with some magical birthday. But you go on thinking the the birthday is the most important thing,

Below U14, clubs make more player calls than coaches. Benches to apprentice next year and not age up the following year.

If you think coaches put much focus on the 14-20ish back part of the roster, you would be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:By waiting will the clubs now focus on q3 q4 kids at tryouts this Spring and put them on A teams at a younger age for fall?

😂 clubs are not putting mediocre kids on good teams period. They give zero hoots about the birthdays in terms of “potential” next year. Next year is a different coach’s problem.

Definitely will not put themselves at a disadvantage but don’t be surprised to see tournament teams and league play teams.

If the rules change for tournaments.

God can you imagine?

That is how the UK has to do it too. But the parents in the UK are kept more at arms length.

Every f-ing tournament ECNL coaches and clubs are going to get deluged with “why isn’t little Betty on the tournament team with all the other girls? She is clearly the best girl in the whole club…why why why?”

This whole thread exists because BY parents don’t want to give an inch to SY because that puts their kid at a disadvantage. Same can be said for families who want SY because they believe their kid being older for the group will give them an edge in some way.

We pay clubs a lot of money it’s their job to deal with parents complaining. Which is already happening. Also the vast majority of Q1/2 kids will still be part of the tournament teams you would essentially swap the Q3/4 kids so those families/kids don’t lose out either for tournament teams.

UK families can have more control because it’s FREE! I’ll let my kids coach tell me to F off if it means I don’t have to pay for anything.

nothing is free. lmao.

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Anonymous wrote:9-1 to 7-31 August plays grad year. There.. i contributed to 1000

Too simple and makes too much sense. Be gone from this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think ECNL will allow states to set their own cutoff (say either 8/1 or 9/1) and not have something uniform across the entire league?

Lower level leagues will have different cutoffs per state. But ECNL will have a league standard for cut offs.

ECNL will go 9/1 for league and nationals. Showcases will be Grad year.
So don’t worry your August kid will still get to play with their grade for college recruiting.

Huh? So they throw some Aug kids onto a team they don’t know/train with for a showcase or two? Or, and hear me out, they just move the cutoff to 8/1 like it was before?

Having options for rec and state wide leagues makes sense. But a solution for a national leagues has to include all state’s cutoffs.

That’s what I’m hearing. Yes 8/1 would lead to less trapped players but would also lead to more kids not playing in their school grade because the majority of state start 9/1 or later.

Set to 9/1 to avoid the reverse trap. For Aug. kids who can still make the NL team as the youngest will have a chance for college recruiting, so they can join the younger team during the showcase. If Aug. kids can not make NL team, they will have little hope for college. People needs to understand the ECNL intention to switch to SY is to align team for better college recruiting opportunity. Reduce trap players is a byproduct of this change.

"If Aug. kids can not make NL team, they will have little hope for college."

This is incorrect on many levels. ECNL (and other top leagues) definitely help people get opportunities but that doesn't mean other legitimate pathways aren't out there.

[Anonymous]

U13 and below should be SY
U14 and above should be GY (8th grade and up plays with grade)
This way you don’t have to make roster adjustments for showcases.
Probably provides more incentive for those later ages when they considering dropping out.

[Anonymous]

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

Is this new?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration

Is this new?

As of yesterday.

[Anonymous]

I have two trapped players…one currently playing D1 and the other 2011 ECNL, neither of them August. 9-1 to 7-31 cutoff, August plays with their school year was the best idea I’ve heard yet. August is tricky.

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In the last section of Immediate steps - next 60 days is this:

“Scenario-Based Resources – support member organizations, leagues, clubs, teams, and parents / guardians as they navigate unique player scenarios”

I would put money on the fact ECNL is pushing to remove as many trapped players as soon as possible under this “unique scenarios”. They are the only league that currently doesn’t offer biobanding and have 8th graders with no season while high school soccer is underway.

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Anonymous wrote:9-1 to 7-31 August plays grad year. There.. i contributed to 1000

Too simple and makes too much sense. Be gone from this forum.

Yes!!! Long time listener, first time contributor… This is what I’ve been saying all along. This would solve the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:If I'm a club with pre-ecnl starting at 2015 now? I'm filling that team with q3 q4 kids at tryouts this year.

No you’re not…you’re filling it with the best kids in that age band that fill your roster.

All this complaining about RAE, and nobody seems to get how RAE works.

The coach will prefer Q3/Q4 bench players than Q1/Q2 bench. Starters are from the best players regardless Q.

Nice dream.

The coach prefers bench players that have an impact. Not bench players with some magical birthday. But you go on thinking the the birthday is the most important thing,

The thought wasn’t the coach would choose all Q3/4 players but rather choose them instead of Q1/2 players if the talent level was similar.