For schools requiring “all scores”, does that mean all SATs AND all ACTs?

[Anonymous]

Or does that mean only that if you report one SAT score, you must report all of your SAT scores (but you don’t have to mention the ACT at all).
Or vice versa, if you report one ACT you must report all ACTs but need not mention the SAT you took.

[Anonymous]

It varies.

Some want all of one test (Yale) or the other. Others want every test you sat for (Georgetown).

You have to call the relevant admissions office and ask -- it also can change from year to year.

[Anonymous]

Some schools, especially the Ivies want to see SAT II subject matter tests, as well.

[Anonymous]

My opinion, after much research on this subject:

No, it does not mean all SATs AND all ACTs.

Yes it may vary by college, but if you only submit one form, you only need all scores from that form.

If you submit all SAT scores you do not need to submit any subject tests if you do not feel they are helpful, and you may submit "choice" subject tests unless explicitly demanded.

You should be honest and comply 100% with your understanding of requirements, but the colleges will have no way of knowing unless they are on your transcript also. If unsure or non-specific, decide in your favor.

Either way, do not sweat over this, there is already too much pressure put on applicants.

[Anonymous]

All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

Fool. So, if a school says SATIIs are "recommended", you think kids don't have to submit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

Fool. So, if a school says SATIIs are "recommended", you think kids don't have to submit?

It depends. If you are a first generation or poor student, you don't have to unless you are trying to make up for a low grade in a subject or buttress your application. The schools say recommended because they don't want to place a huge burden on students for whom the addl tests are burdensome -- and keep those students from applying at all.

But middle to upper-middle-class students who are probably sitting for multiple SAT/ACT exams, you better submit some SAT2s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

Fool. So, if a school says SATIIs are "recommended", you think kids don't have to submit?

No, I don't think they have to. I think it is "recommended".

What part of "recommended" is unclear?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

Fool. So, if a school says SATIIs are "recommended", you think kids don't have to submit?

No, I don't think they have to. I think it is "recommended".

What part of "recommended" is unclear?

LOL. You really shouldn't post here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All means All. You have to submit all SATs and all ACTs. They want to see your testing history. They do not want "professional" test takers (kids who keep retaking to raise a few points).

You have know idea who "they" is and what "they" want. We are talking about a student who wants to comply with policies which vary by college and are frequently unclear. Schools generally do not want to penalize any student or bust any students stones, but they sometimes make it very difficult to understand and when that is the case applicants should make the decision that best benefits them..

Yale states: "report all scores from whichever test they choose to report" . So no, it does not mean "all" there.

Penn states: "we encourage students to submit their entire testing history for both ACT and SAT exams". Encourage. Not require. Very unclear, and there is no way of knowing for sure, like many schools (Rice for one) that say "subject test recommended" but "those who don't take will not be disadvantaged". Well, which is it?

Carnegie Mellon is farily clear "all" means "all of either":All applicants are required to submit all official results* of either the old SAT Reasoning Test/SAT Test or the ACT Test. SAT Subject Test results are recommended for various programs, see the chart below for details**.

Georgetown is a great example of completely clear requirements for everything: "“Georgetown University does not participate in the Score Choice option available through the College Board. Georgetown requires that you submit scores from all test sittings of the SAT, ACT, and SAT Subject Tests. " So for G'town, you must submit all if you wish to comply.

Even Cornell, which was very famous for its vague "all scores" policy wording, now "participates in the College Board Score Choice program" and "considers the highest section scores across test dates".

Stop talking about what you don't know and making it harder on the kids. If you have a specific school where the wording is clear, post here.

Fool. So, if a school says SATIIs are "recommended", you think kids don't have to submit?

No, I don't think they have to. I think it is "recommended".

What part of "recommended" is unclear?

LOL. You really shouldn't post here.

Nice substantive post backed up by sources. It makes you very well respected and trustworthy.

Oh, wait...

[Anonymous]

If something is "recommended", you'd be wise to submit. These "soft requirements" shouldn't be viewed as optional if you want to be admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If something is "recommended", you'd be wise to submit. These "soft requirements" shouldn't be viewed as optional if you want to be admitted.

But that's not the question. Not submitting a poor score is better than no score at all if it is only "recommended" by the college. Obviously getting and submitting a good score is always advisable regardless of stated admissions policies -- but someone who has good scores wouldn't even ask the question, would they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If something is "recommended", you'd be wise to submit. These "soft requirements" shouldn't be viewed as optional if you want to be admitted.

But that's not the question. Not submitting a poor score is better than no score at all if it is only "recommended" by the college. Obviously getting and submitting a good score is always advisable regardless of stated admissions policies -- but someone who has good scores wouldn't even ask the question, would they?

Well, if you kid has a bad score, he/she has no business applying to top tier schools that recommend SATIIs, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If something is "recommended", you'd be wise to submit. These "soft requirements" shouldn't be viewed as optional if you want to be admitted.

But that's not the question. Not submitting a poor score is better than no score at all if it is only "recommended" by the college. Obviously getting and submitting a good score is always advisable regardless of stated admissions policies -- but someone who has good scores wouldn't even ask the question, would they?

Well, if you kid has a bad score, he/she has no business applying to top tier schools that recommend SATIIs, right?

No.

One bad score in a subject that may not be the student's strongest does not define their potential at any college.

Also, this thread is not entitled "should a student with one bad subject test score apply to top colleges?" It is "For schools requiring “all scores”, does that mean all SATs AND all ACTs?".

And the answer to that is "read each's college's policy, and if it is vague in any way, choose the path that best benefits the student while fully complying with the stated policy".