Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

What teacher gets a 3 month summer? Try 2… tops. And it’s unpaid. Why do we ignore the fact teachers are actually 10-month employees? And your “3-4 weeks” extra? Where is that?

Again: you get paid for 12 months of work. Teachers don’t.

If teachers have it so great… apply!!! Clearly people have tried it and realized it isn’t the awesome deal non-teachers think it is.

Right, because I do 12 months of work. You do not. That is the difference, and having THAT much time off every single year is unheard of in any other profession (in America, at least)

It is not time off. Teachers are NOT EMPLOYED during the summer. Seriously… this is not a difficult concept.

I’m doing 12+ months of work in 10 months… and then I am NOT PAID for 2.

You are paid for 12 months of work.

Not getting paid for hours you don't work is how employment works. Did you expect to be paid for your xxxweeks of not working?

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like a better question is what are teachers/schools NOT expected to do for kids these days?

Schools need to teach them everything, apparently including sex and also “social emotional learning” like empathy and personal management, they need to feed the kids and in many cases clothe them. And they need to screen for abuse. What do parents do except provide a bed to sleep on?

Why don’t we just build a bunch of institutions that we put kids in at birth and force parents to prove that they’re decent parents before they’re allowed to take the kids out of there?? It sounds like most kids would be better off that way because some parents apparently do NOTHING for their kids. Even when we the taxpayers give them money for having those kids. I’d rather just give the money towards boarding schools and no more rent assistance or anything for those “parents”.

+1 million. You hit the nail on the head .

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

To histrionic poster with the bogus equation. I too can make up bogus equations based in fuzzy math and leap to faulty assumptions, but at least I'm not responsible for educating our young people. Yikes. I am so very sorry for our young people.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

lol i cant believe you unironically did exactly what i was talking about.

this is so implausible that you must be a troll. so...good job creating a 50 page thread!

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

To histrionic poster with the bogus equation. I too can make up bogus equations based in fuzzy math and leap to faulty assumptions, but at least I'm not responsible for educating our young people. Yikes. I am so very sorry for our young people.

I’m that PP… and clearly I wasn’t displaying any histrionic behavior. It also wasn’t fuzzy math, nor was it a bogus equation. That’s simply my reality. You want to discredit it. Fine. That doesn’t change the fact it’s true.

I’m not sure why teachers’ hours are such a threat to some posters here. There seems to be a serious effort by 1-2 posters to attack the idea that teaching can be a demanding job. I don’t understand why that reality threatens you. If you agree… then this thread can finally end. I’d you don’t, then join us! We are desperate to fill the ranks since people keep quitting this “easy” job.

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Anonymous wrote:People that hate teachers shouldnt be parents.

I do love the ever-present “Parents are bad” teacher poster. Part of your job is going to be interaction with parents. Eventually you need to learn to deal, or you need to realize the job isn’t for you.

People who hate and burn with hate and anger are probably either depressed or need help and should seek therapy.

Exactly. The ever-present "parents are bad" teacher should probably seek therapy.

+1. Also the parents and admin in the same boat

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

What teacher gets a 3 month summer? Try 2… tops. And it’s unpaid. Why do we ignore the fact teachers are actually 10-month employees? And your “3-4 weeks” extra? Where is that?

Again: you get paid for 12 months of work. Teachers don’t.

If teachers have it so great… apply!!! Clearly people have tried it and realized it isn’t the awesome deal non-teachers think it is.

Right, because I do 12 months of work. You do not. That is the difference, and having THAT much time off every single year is unheard of in any other profession (in America, at least)

This. Mic drop.

Hundreds of jobs currently available in my district for the Mic dropper and their friend! Sign up now and qualify for an unpaid summer off (aka June 24-August 19), which is less than two months, even though we're only paid for ten.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

What teacher gets a 3 month summer? Try 2… tops. And it’s unpaid. Why do we ignore the fact teachers are actually 10-month employees? And your “3-4 weeks” extra? Where is that?

Again: you get paid for 12 months of work. Teachers don’t.

If teachers have it so great… apply!!! Clearly people have tried it and realized it isn’t the awesome deal non-teachers think it is.

Right, because I do 12 months of work. You do not. That is the difference, and having THAT much time off every single year is unheard of in any other profession (in America, at least)

It is not time off. Teachers are NOT EMPLOYED during the summer. Seriously… this is not a difficult concept.

I’m doing 12+ months of work in 10 months… and then I am NOT PAID for 2.

You are paid for 12 months of work.

Not getting paid for hours you don't work is how employment works. Did you expect to be paid for your xxxweeks of not working?

I'm confused bc other posters are telling us that our summers off are a huge perk. I'm confused which one it is. I can't imagine too many people would be pumped if their jobs just decided to not pay them 8 weeks/year and say "but you have that time off"

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Great news! You too can absolutely live your dream, buddy. Just quit your job, be unemployed for a few months, then find a new job! It's exactly the same! Just budget better so you can do this every year, I've heard it's not hard to do. Oh, but your old job is still going to make you do trainings. They aren't going to pay you, but you will still need to do them. You're also going to have to deal with idiots telling you that your "vacation" makes you super lucky and invalidates any complaints you may have.

Summers are not "time off" for teachers any more than any period of unemployment is time off. It's weird that you consider being unemployed a vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Great news! You too can absolutely live your dream, buddy. Just quit your job, be unemployed for a few months, then find a new job! It's exactly the same! Just budget better so you can do this every year, I've heard it's not hard to do. Oh, but your old job is still going to make you do trainings. They aren't going to pay you, but you will still need to do them. You're also going to have to deal with idiots telling you that your "vacation" makes you super lucky and invalidates any complaints you may have.

Summers are not "time off" for teachers any more than any period of unemployment is time off. It's weird that you consider being unemployed a vacation.

And teachers need to do work while unemployed. That’s when curriculum docs are revised, recommendation letters are written, mandatory classes are taken for recertification, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Great news! You too can absolutely live your dream, buddy. Just quit your job, be unemployed for a few months, then find a new job! It's exactly the same! Just budget better so you can do this every year, I've heard it's not hard to do. Oh, but your old job is still going to make you do trainings. They aren't going to pay you, but you will still need to do them. You're also going to have to deal with idiots telling you that your "vacation" makes you super lucky and invalidates any complaints you may have.

Summers are not "time off" for teachers any more than any period of unemployment is time off. It's weird that you consider being unemployed a vacation.

And teachers need to do work while unemployed. That’s when curriculum docs are revised, recommendation letters are written, mandatory classes are taken for recertification, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:People don’t acknowledge how overworked teachers are because they don’t acknowledge how overworked everyone is. It’s not unique to teachers. I think teachers actually get slightly more recognition for their hard work than other jobs. Maybe not as much as they deserve, but I mean, who outside of high paid professionals like doctors and lawyers gets recognized as much as they should. Do trash collectors get recognized enough? We’d all be totally screwed without them, their jobs are hard labor and very few people want to do it, and when is the last you took a moment to appreciate it? Like never.

I think teachers on DCUM see the people posting about their huge incomes and fancy vacations and vacation homes and they think “look at these parents with everything who don’t appreciate how hard I work?” But most parents of public school kids work, and most of us work in jobs where we are underappreciated and overworked. So it’s just weird to phrase this as though teachers are unique in this regard. The very people you are asking to recognize your hard work are probably rarely recognized for their hard work. That’s the culture we live in.

+1

We all work too much and too hard.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Great news! You too can absolutely live your dream, buddy. Just quit your job, be unemployed for a few months, then find a new job! It's exactly the same! Just budget better so you can do this every year, I've heard it's not hard to do. Oh, but your old job is still going to make you do trainings. They aren't going to pay you, but you will still need to do them. You're also going to have to deal with idiots telling you that your "vacation" makes you super lucky and invalidates any complaints you may have.

Summers are not "time off" for teachers any more than any period of unemployment is time off. It's weird that you consider being unemployed a vacation.

It's not exactly the same to become unemployed over the summer and then look for another job. Come on. Teachers have guaranteed positions and benefits that continue from year to year. You undercut legitimate complaints with a bogus comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

NP. Look, I agree teaching is a hard job but it’s this kind of melodramatic exaggeration that makes people roll their eyes and then discredit any actual point you may be trying to make.

I notice that you didn't actually address the point of my post. What is unique to other jobs that teachers do not do?

they don’t work summers

You know you've lost the argument when you revert to coming at teachers unpaid summer time

Thr time off in the summer IS THE ACTUAL win to the argument. It's the whole argument. Unpaid is irrelevant - just budget better. For most people in the workforce, The idea of having literal weeks, maybe even months of not working is an actual dream. An unlivable dream.

Let me crush that dream for you.

I work 60 hours a week x 40 weeks = 2400 hours
I work (minimum) 2 weeks during my unpaid summer = 80 hours
Total: 2480 hours

A 40-hour a week job, 50 weeks a year: 2000 hours —- 480 hours less.

As I see it, my summer vacation is my break for a grueling year. Also, my job is always ON. There are no long lunches, breaks in a friend’s office, etc.

Am I complaining? No. But I am going to say “summers off” is the MOST annoying misconception I hear about my job.

Lol what. I’m not sure where you’re getting this mythical idea of the 40 hours a week, hard stop job…unless you’re talking about factory workers or something, most of us are working more than 40 hours a week. Why would only the hours teachers work on evenings/mornings/weekends count as extra, and not everyone else? (Besides the fact that it plays well into your preferred narrative…)

And to act like getting 3 consecutive months off every year PLUS 3-4 other weeks throughout the year isn’t an amazing and completely one of a kind perk is idiotic

What teacher gets a 3 month summer? Try 2… tops. And it’s unpaid. Why do we ignore the fact teachers are actually 10-month employees? And your “3-4 weeks” extra? Where is that?

Again: you get paid for 12 months of work. Teachers don’t.

If teachers have it so great… apply!!! Clearly people have tried it and realized it isn’t the awesome deal non-teachers think it is.

Right, because I do 12 months of work. You do not. That is the difference, and having THAT much time off every single year is unheard of in any other profession (in America, at least)

It is not time off. Teachers are NOT EMPLOYED during the summer. Seriously… this is not a difficult concept.

I’m doing 12+ months of work in 10 months… and then I am NOT PAID for 2.

You are paid for 12 months of work.

You are paid for ten months of work and you are employed year-round, with job protection to boot. Does your health insurance lapse during the summers? No, of course not - because you are an employee every month of the year.

You have the choice (in MCPS anyway) to be paid over the summer, or to do your own budgeting and be paid only during the school year. Either way, you are paid for 180 teaching days. If you work extra in the summer (again, in MCPS), you are paid for that.

~a fellow teacher whose lawyer spouse works a lot harder and for less pay, broken down into hours

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Anonymous wrote:If you think teaching is easy be a sub for one day in public American schools and you will be eaten alive as kids treat you like Jackie Robinson on his first game ever in MLB throwing trash and cussing you out as you lose your voice trying to talk over them. Then your principal comes in and berates you for being terrible at your job and being stupid for not being able to control students. It's horrible horrible horrible. The helplessness and zero life control give teachers pstd.

My job has meetings in the middle of the night occasionally. I survived.

Given the choice, I’ll take middle-of-the-night meetings any day over teaching. You also mention they happen “occasionally,” whereas the stress/panic of teaching happens all day, every day.

Except you’re not teaching all day, every day during the year, are you? Look, I get it, teaching is hard and maybe you don’t like your career decision. That’s totally ok. But wild exaggerations like that don’t help. We all know your get massive amounts of time off. You’re up at night in the middle of July or on Christmas Eve with night terrors about something that happened at work that day? That actually is some people’s reality. So let’s at least try to have some perspective.

This is why DCUM is so toxic. Guess what? I go to therapy because of teaching. I have been for years. This job can be so abusive and can break the toughest of people. Also: I am always working. ALWAYS. If I’m not at work, I’m at home prepping for work. That’s on weekends. That’s over the summer.

You can tell me to gain perspective, and I’m going to ask the same of you. There’s a reason DCUM is filled with threads like this one. It’s because teaching is HARD, and it’s only those who haven’t tried it who think otherwise.

I am a career changer. I came from a tough corporate job. It was a breeze compared to what I do now.

New to this thread, but man. Teachers really do think they have the hardest job in the world, don't they? Why does it always have to be crappy job Olympics? I haven't once seen a teacher say something like "wow, that is not a problem we have to deal with!" or "gee that also sounds hard!"

It's like someone can say that their job is high-stress dangerous muck diving in sewage to re-weld old plumbing (a job which exists!), and a teacher will be like "well at least you have a muck diving suit! I accidentally touched poop with my bare hands once!!!!"

Well considering we also have to deal with bathroom issues, at least in ES, this is a bad example. I think the reason you never see teachers say the bolded is because our job is all encompassing. We are lawyers and doctors, we are managers and low level data entry employees, we are secretaries and diplomats (and plumbers). Im curious what part of your jobs that you think are unique that teachers don't actually do!

I work with people in many fields, so based on this I would say about what teachers don't actually do: have a healthy respect for the difficulties of other professions, with an understanding that other people have skills that I lack.

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