+1 This is happening with programming and other general CS skills. A friend that is a director of IT for a T20 school mentioned this recently. Higher ed educators are seeing a trend in students minoring in CS or taking some classes are getting jobs similar to CS majors. Also, there is growing competition in larger markets like NY and CA from coding bootcamps such as General Assembly (no college degree in CS needed). |
Not at all. Just that a college-degree alone isn't a solution to most economic problems and the sooner people learn that, the sooner they can teach their kids, and stop whining on the money forum about Biden not forgiving their six-figures in student loans. |
So you can opt out of college first. The reality is that people with a college degree make way more than people without one. The sooner people learn that, the sooner they can teach their kid that. Should poor people just know their place in life? |
Key point being your kids are from a wealthy background. If they were just middle class they’d be screwed. Count your blessings. |
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DP. Explain how pp’s kids would be “screwed.” I’ve noticed that liberals are obsessed with the prestige of the college vs getting a degree and it’s nauseating. |
I just realized you think I'm the person who sent their kid to an Ivy or the one with the dismissive post on line cooks. I started in this thread in response to the 99% post. Only to refute the fact that you think a college degree is 'rare'. When it is in fact not anymore. It is a baseline and the overcrowded degree marketplace has far-reaching repercussions as far as salary parity is concerned. |
Your mistake is searching for "business." Very few people actually major in an undergraduate major called "business." They pick accounting, finance, information systems, marketing, etc. You need to compare those actual majors to philosophy. Even within humanities, there is a wide range of salaries between majors. Philosophy is 39k-76k and finance is 49k-109k. Accounting is 47k-103k. So, those are substantially higher than philosophy |
I completely disagree with you. I am not rich and I live in the same provincial town I did before I went to college. |
PP again, actually, according to that data even general business earns more than philosophy. SO I have no idea what you are talking about |
I never said it’s rare. But I still think it’s the best option unless the kid is a horrific, god awful student. You proved my point: it’s a baseline to even get a decent job. What do you think, that not having one makes you a shiny standout!? |
I think this points to another misperception people have about college and long-term financial success. College is not vocational school, and it's very risky to treat it like it is. I work in an extremely lucrative field of computing right now (AI), but it's not what I went to school to study. It just so happens that skills I gained while studying my STEM field became highly sought after a few years after I graduated, and I had a combination of skills and theoretical underpinning to transform that into a well-paying job. But it's kind of a fluke. When I was in grad school, everything I was doing seemed very niche and not particularly useful...but I really liked it and was good at it. Now I see people clamoring to get degrees in something I learned incidentally, and I also see that the field is changing such that my once niche skills are now becoming commoditized. |
More proof humanities majors are clueless around data. Mea culpa |
| All of the big law partners at my firm come from Humanities backgrounds and humble means. |
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Humanities major here. Wound up going to law school. I am comfortable financially and my kid's college will be paid for. My parents were not rich at all and I financed law school with loans. You can definitely find a well-paying job and a rewarding career in the humanities.
Outside of engineering and the hard sciences, or people who want to go to med school, it doesn't really matter what you major in to a large degree. I would personally encourage my child to avoid a major that is too narrow unless they had a really clear plan for post-grad (like don't major in Arabic or Dance or Film Studies unless you pretty much know what you are going to do after school and how you will apply that degree). But any broad humanities major is pretty versatile (History, English, Psychology, Sociology, Government or Political Science, Philosophy, etc.). Add a minor in something a bit more specialized or technical (a language minor is great) and you will be pretty marketable after school. You won't make a ton of money no matter where you go at first, and that's normal and should be expected. The goal should be paying off any money you borrowed and beginning to establish yourself professionally. It's okay to start at the bottom. Also zero shame in living with mom and dad or in a group house or a crummy apartment in your 20s -- that is what your 20s are for. Figure out how to earn a paycheck, then build from there. These people who obsessively demand their kids need to major in STEM and are fixated on certain jobs and earnings targets before their kid goes to college are often deluded. If the kid isn't self-motivated in those fields, they will struggle to get decent grades and many will struggle to finish school. My undergrad was full of engineering majors with demanding parents who were barely able to function. I sat on the student ethics committee for a semester and all the cheating cases we got were from the engineering school. I felt really bad for those kids. They clearly didn't have the interest or aptitude, they were taking these highly technical classes with strict requirements, and they couldn't keep their head above water. I have no idea why you would push your kid into that. Not everyone can be an engineer or a doctor. We actually do need other kinds of people. |