How do you supplement if public school education not meeting student's needs?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s another question hanging out there, if you can only choose 4 anchor texts per grade, what is the rationale for these four?


First get them to read entire books and then you can go down that rabbit hole. If they dont read the entire book then your question is moot.



Did you read the entire book assigned to you in MS? I was in a different state with a gifted program and never fully read books assigned. Pretty much didn't until I got to a special world lit class in HS. The class had awesome books that I wanted to read.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We had a different experience at Deal in both ELA and Spanish (pre-COVID). Our kids tested into level 3 Spanish after taking Spanish II in the regular Spanish track at Deal (I will add that there was one parent who complained a lot about the teaching and Spanish curriculum, but DS said her son sat in the back goofing off every class and did no work -- which is how I know some kids are great at bamboozling their moms).

In ELA, every week we got a detailed summary of all the books and short stories and poems and essays and they were reading and comparing and writing about and using for interesting projects. There was one anchor novel per advisory, supplemented by thoughtful works in other writing formats, including film and works of art.

Here are some examples from Deal weekly emails 6th grade:

English:

Last week, we read Tuck Everlasting chapters 15-25, continued our exploration of theme, and practiced writing a thesis about theme. This week we will finish Tuck Everlasting and complete the Anchor Writing Task, which is to write a multi-paragraph essay comparing Tuck
Everlasting to "Eleven," a short story by Sandra Cisneros.


Here are some excerpts from Deal emails 7th grade (not in succession):

English (Ms. ____):

Next week in English we will begin reading the book Warriors Don't Cry by Melba Patillo Beals. Beals' memoir about her experiences as one of The Little Rock Nine won a Congressional Gold Medal.

English (Ms. ____):
Next week students will be finishing an activity where they will be comparing and contrasting the author's point of view in two texts.

English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English students will wrap up their Literature Circle books. On Tuesday and Wednesday students will present their Reader's Theatre scenes. This presentation will count for their first IB Task grade for advisory 4.

[note here that Literature Circle is a text that is not one of the 4 anchor texts; in every grade they studied books beyond the anchor texts]

"English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English, students will have the Reading Inventory test on Monday and Tuesday. In addition, students will present and hand in their Hero's Journey and Enrichment Projects on Friday, June 9. Please make sure that you remind your child to find and return any books that we have used in English this year. Titles include: Warriors Don't Cry, The Ear, The Eye and The Arm, Boy ​and The Call of the Wild. "

If people are claiming their kids read no book in three years at Deal, sounds like a COVID problem or a kid problem, maybe?



This! Your kid’s education is only as good as the effort he/she/they put into it.
Anonymous
Agreed. My DH graduated from North Arlington schools 20 years ago and reported he never read a book cover to cover until college. If books are assigned, it's a lazy kid problem, not a school problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s another question hanging out there, if you can only choose 4 anchor texts per grade, what is the rationale for these four?


First get them to read entire books and then you can go down that rabbit hole. If they dont read the entire book then your question is moot.



Did you read the entire book assigned to you in MS? I was in a different state with a gifted program and never fully read books assigned. Pretty much didn't until I got to a special world lit class in HS. The class had awesome books that I wanted to read.


Yes, that's why I value it. Others didnt though.

But the issue isnt whether the kids are reading them. Rather it's whether the curriculum expects them to do so. Excerpts don't count and just reinforce the short attention span, shortcut seeking, lack of nuance, and poor critical thinking skills that have become endemic to our society.

Take Malcolm X as an example. The value is in the arc. The totality of the book. Not isolated out of context chapters.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We had a different experience at Deal in both ELA and Spanish (pre-COVID). Our kids tested into level 3 Spanish after taking Spanish II in the regular Spanish track at Deal (I will add that there was one parent who complained a lot about the teaching and Spanish curriculum, but DS said her son sat in the back goofing off every class and did no work -- which is how I know some kids are great at bamboozling their moms).

In ELA, every week we got a detailed summary of all the books and short stories and poems and essays and they were reading and comparing and writing about and using for interesting projects. There was one anchor novel per advisory, supplemented by thoughtful works in other writing formats, including film and works of art.

Here are some examples from Deal weekly emails 6th grade:

English:

Last week, we read Tuck Everlasting chapters 15-25, continued our exploration of theme, and practiced writing a thesis about theme. This week we will finish Tuck Everlasting and complete the Anchor Writing Task, which is to write a multi-paragraph essay comparing Tuck
Everlasting to "Eleven," a short story by Sandra Cisneros.


Here are some excerpts from Deal emails 7th grade (not in succession):

English (Ms. ____):

Next week in English we will begin reading the book Warriors Don't Cry by Melba Patillo Beals. Beals' memoir about her experiences as one of The Little Rock Nine won a Congressional Gold Medal.

English (Ms. ____):
Next week students will be finishing an activity where they will be comparing and contrasting the author's point of view in two texts.

English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English students will wrap up their Literature Circle books. On Tuesday and Wednesday students will present their Reader's Theatre scenes. This presentation will count for their first IB Task grade for advisory 4.

[note here that Literature Circle is a text that is not one of the 4 anchor texts; in every grade they studied books beyond the anchor texts]

"English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English, students will have the Reading Inventory test on Monday and Tuesday. In addition, students will present and hand in their Hero's Journey and Enrichment Projects on Friday, June 9. Please make sure that you remind your child to find and return any books that we have used in English this year. Titles include: Warriors Don't Cry, The Ear, The Eye and The Arm, Boy ​and The Call of the Wild. "

If people are claiming their kids read no book in three years at Deal, sounds like a COVID problem or a kid problem, maybe?


Not to ovwrly parse and your point about kids bamboozling parents is true BUT only one of those emails implied that an entire book was being read.


OMG I'm not going to post three years worth of weekly updates from six different teachers. They read the full primary book every advisory and them some, plus other books for different assignments. The whole premise of the Deal bashing post is false.
Anonymous
My kid was at Deal for 8th this year and was not assigned whole texts. He was assigned excerpts on Canvas--one or two paragraphs only
Also, his ELA teacher called out at least once very other week continually, often with zero notice for things like internet issues, Pepco problems, colds, and no reasons at all. it was something almost every week. I spoke to the AP about her several times, as did other parents. He (the AP) was as frustrated as we were.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We had a different experience at Deal in both ELA and Spanish (pre-COVID). Our kids tested into level 3 Spanish after taking Spanish II in the regular Spanish track at Deal (I will add that there was one parent who complained a lot about the teaching and Spanish curriculum, but DS said her son sat in the back goofing off every class and did no work -- which is how I know some kids are great at bamboozling their moms).

In ELA, every week we got a detailed summary of all the books and short stories and poems and essays and they were reading and comparing and writing about and using for interesting projects. There was one anchor novel per advisory, supplemented by thoughtful works in other writing formats, including film and works of art.

Here are some examples from Deal weekly emails 6th grade:

English:

Last week, we read Tuck Everlasting chapters 15-25, continued our exploration of theme, and practiced writing a thesis about theme. This week we will finish Tuck Everlasting and complete the Anchor Writing Task, which is to write a multi-paragraph essay comparing Tuck
Everlasting to "Eleven," a short story by Sandra Cisneros.


Here are some excerpts from Deal emails 7th grade (not in succession):

English (Ms. ____):

Next week in English we will begin reading the book Warriors Don't Cry by Melba Patillo Beals. Beals' memoir about her experiences as one of The Little Rock Nine won a Congressional Gold Medal.

English (Ms. ____):
Next week students will be finishing an activity where they will be comparing and contrasting the author's point of view in two texts.

English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English students will wrap up their Literature Circle books. On Tuesday and Wednesday students will present their Reader's Theatre scenes. This presentation will count for their first IB Task grade for advisory 4.

[note here that Literature Circle is a text that is not one of the 4 anchor texts; in every grade they studied books beyond the anchor texts]

"English (Ms. _____):
Next week in English, students will have the Reading Inventory test on Monday and Tuesday. In addition, students will present and hand in their Hero's Journey and Enrichment Projects on Friday, June 9. Please make sure that you remind your child to find and return any books that we have used in English this year. Titles include: Warriors Don't Cry, The Ear, The Eye and The Arm, Boy ​and The Call of the Wild. "

If people are claiming their kids read no book in three years at Deal, sounds like a COVID problem or a kid problem, maybe?


Not to ovwrly parse and your point about kids bamboozling parents is true BUT only one of those emails implied that an entire book was being read.


OMG I'm not going to post three years worth of weekly updates from six different teachers. They read the full primary book every advisory and them some, plus other books for different assignments. The whole premise of the Deal bashing post is false.


No, you were bamboozled. What is printed in the newsletter is not necessarily what is done in class. I watched my kid's actual homework this year like a hawk (and worked in the same room as his calls) and they rarely, did the newsletter material match up to the class. The newsletter makes it look far more impressive than it is. But whatever, keep your head in the sand.
Anonymous
So it was a COVID issue then. The kids pre-COVID got a better education. Hardly surprising.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So it was a COVID issue then. The kids pre-COVID got a better education. Hardly surprising.


Except it's actually very odd. Book reports would be an ideal distance learning assigment.
Anonymous
My kid is going from Deal to a top private high school. The process is interesting because these schools do placement testing for math and foreign language. My kid placed into honors pre-calc for 9th grade and the school was impressed with how much math she knows. However, she is having to repeat both years of Deal Spanish (7th and 8th grade which count as high school classes) based on oral and written comprehensive exams administered by the private. All of her friends (representing 4 other high schools) are also repeating all Deal language classes based on comps administered by the receiving schools.
My kid had an A in every subject, every quarter at Deal. if it was taught or required, she did it so her knowledge base is pretty representative of the curriculum.
Anonymous
That your daughter learned little Spanish at Deal doesn't surprise me. Fact, is DCPS, and DCPC for that matter, has limited capacity for teaching languages beyond the beginning level, and even less ambition to improve. Until very recently, DCPS language study sequences were so poorly thought through that Wilson students who were Adams grads were unable to take HS Spanish past the AP level at school. You've got Deal with IB Middle Years Curriculum not leading to Spanish IB Diploma studies at the Higher Level at Wilson (a standards one to two years past AP), which makes no sense.

What we've got in the District is PS language instruction that's too little too late across the board, and chronically high language teacher turnover.

Part of the problem is that most DCPS language students lack access to immersion study, along with the encouragement to pursue it. In a nutshell, DC PS families either home school for language study, relying heavily on outside inputs (e.g. au pairs, heritage school weekend programs in the burbs, immersion camps etc.), or the kids don't really learn languages. Things are different in the burbs in the public school sphere. Too bad you have to pay for a private.

Anonymous
NP who is already fed up with how much we’ve had to supplement in the upper ES grades at our DCPS’ particularly for reading, writing and a language. No wonder so many DCPS parents go private or move to the burbs for MS and HS….
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would start here

Why are you only requiring 4 anchor texts per year?
What is the rationale for these choices?
Why are you only assigning excerpts of each book?
Do you consider this ELA curriculum to be sufficiently challenging?
Is this curriculum something you would choose for your own child?
How does this ELA curriculum compare with charter and independent schools in this area?


in the abstract some of those choices make sense- an entire year on 4 seminal texts (especially something with layers like Moby Dick or that defines an archetype like the Odyssey) makes a ton of sense. What doesn't make sense if focusing on 4 and then barely reading them let alone concentrating on them


there is nothing comparable to Virgil or Melville on the list of anchor texts. I would hardly call Tuck Everlasting or Inside Out and Back Again seminal.


OMG, do you want your kid to hate reading? Tuck Everlasting and Inside Out and Back Again are wonderful middle grades literature? Do we have to be stuck in previous centuries reading inappropriate literature by dead white guys?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would start here

Why are you only requiring 4 anchor texts per year?
What is the rationale for these choices?
Why are you only assigning excerpts of each book?
Do you consider this ELA curriculum to be sufficiently challenging?
Is this curriculum something you would choose for your own child?
How does this ELA curriculum compare with charter and independent schools in this area?


in the abstract some of those choices make sense- an entire year on 4 seminal texts (especially something with layers like Moby Dick or that defines an archetype like the Odyssey) makes a ton of sense. What doesn't make sense if focusing on 4 and then barely reading them let alone concentrating on them


there is nothing comparable to Virgil or Melville on the list of anchor texts. I would hardly call Tuck Everlasting or Inside Out and Back Again seminal.


OMG, do you want your kid to hate reading? Tuck Everlasting and Inside Out and Back Again are wonderful middle grades literature? Do we have to be stuck in previous centuries reading inappropriate literature by dead white guys?


Tuck and Inside Out are charming little books, definitely staples for choice reading, but not terribly challenging. And yes, Virgil is dead and probably white, but that doesn't seem like a good reason to deny the delights of the classical epics to Middle Schoolers, especially when so many of them relish Greek mythology, which I must admit, can be terribly inappropriate.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would start here

Why are you only requiring 4 anchor texts per year?
What is the rationale for these choices?
Why are you only assigning excerpts of each book?
Do you consider this ELA curriculum to be sufficiently challenging?
Is this curriculum something you would choose for your own child?
How does this ELA curriculum compare with charter and independent schools in this area?


in the abstract some of those choices make sense- an entire year on 4 seminal texts (especially something with layers like Moby Dick or that defines an archetype like the Odyssey) makes a ton of sense. What doesn't make sense if focusing on 4 and then barely reading them let alone concentrating on them


there is nothing comparable to Virgil or Melville on the list of anchor texts. I would hardly call Tuck Everlasting or Inside Out and Back Again seminal.


OMG, do you want your kid to hate reading? Tuck Everlasting and Inside Out and Back Again are wonderful middle grades literature? Do we have to be stuck in previous centuries reading inappropriate literature by dead white guys?


The problem is that excerpts send that message that reading is unimportant.

We demand that kids are pushed in math. No one says kids will hate math so let's stop teaching algebra. Reading whole works of fiction is important. Not only does it increase vocabulary and attention spans, it also inspires critical thinking and creativity, as well as improving spelling and writing. Working through progressively harder texts is how people learn and expand. This principle isn't questioned for any other subject.
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