I get the risk of Covid but it's maddening to see BTS pictures from across the US on Facebook/Insta

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. DH and I grew up in the upper Midwest. Tons and tons of back to school pics already for our MN and WI friends (and these states both have Dem Governors and are blue/purple/ish). Not all schools- but most privates, and publics in many many areas (not all). Their covid rates are not all that low either, last time I checked. It is maddening.

You are seeing back to school pictures of public school students in Wisconsin?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. DH and I grew up in the upper Midwest. Tons and tons of back to school pics already for our MN and WI friends (and these states both have Dem Governors and are blue/purple/ish). Not all schools- but most privates, and publics in many many areas (not all). Their covid rates are not all that low either, last time I checked. It is maddening.

That’s weird, considering MN and WI public schools (pandemic or no pandemic) are not legally allowed to start before September 1st...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

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We live in Omaha. We have 3 kids in catholic school back to school full time and 2 kids in public school going back in a hybrid model. They have been back for about 2 weeks. No outbreaks so far.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

This is what I’m seeing too. I’d say essential workers in general seem to be more pragmatic about it because life never really stopped for them, they’ve had to take risks from the very beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

DP, and I totally agree. I'd add that in our area, there's so much opposition to Trump that once he insisted schools open, there was a knee-jerk reaction that students must not go back in person, science and pragmatism be damned. So, a lot of nice White liberals virtue signaling.

DC-area schools could absolutely be back in person now, at least for elementary kids. That there's no option for that in public schools is shameful, in many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

This is what I’m seeing too. I’d say essential workers in general seem to be more pragmatic about it because life never really stopped for them, they’ve had to take risks from the very beginning.

That’s exactly what I’m seeing here, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. DH and I grew up in the upper Midwest. Tons and tons of back to school pics already for our MN and WI friends (and these states both have Dem Governors and are blue/purple/ish). Not all schools- but most privates, and publics in many many areas (not all). Their covid rates are not all that low either, last time I checked. It is maddening.

That’s weird, considering MN and WI public schools (pandemic or no pandemic) are not legally allowed to start before September 1st...

My Michigan school has started even though we technically are not supposed to go back before Labor Day. Governor changed the rules this year.

So my kids pic was on Facebook yesterday in front of his school.

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DP, and I totally agree. I'd add that in our area, there's so much opposition to Trump that once he insisted schools open, there was a knee-jerk reaction that students must not go back in person, science and pragmatism be damned. So, a lot of nice White liberals virtue signaling.

DC-area schools could absolutely be back in person now, at least for elementary kids. That there's no option for that in public schools is shameful, in many ways.

This. I remember just before Trump and DeVos started pushing for schools to open (without regard for community spread or whether cases are rising), having several conversations with friends about our hope that DC would be able to handle Phase 2 without a spike in cases so that schools could open hybrid. Within a week, those conversations were gone and suddenly everyone who had been looking at it pragmatically was saying there was no way schools could open this year.

I wish more parents (and schools, and elected officials) were taking the approach suggested by Emily Oster, who I’ve found to be one of the few science-based voices of reason in a sea of fear-mongering this summer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2020/08/12/should-you-send-kids-to-school-expecting-betterauthor-emily-oster-launches-free-online-tool-with-telehealth-startup-maven/

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DP, and I totally agree. I'd add that in our area, there's so much opposition to Trump that once he insisted schools open, there was a knee-jerk reaction that students must not go back in person, science and pragmatism be damned. So, a lot of nice White liberals virtue signaling.

DC-area schools could absolutely be back in person now, at least for elementary kids. That there's no option for that in public schools is shameful, in many ways.

This. I remember just before Trump and DeVos started pushing for schools to open (without regard for community spread or whether cases are rising), having several conversations with friends about our hope that DC would be able to handle Phase 2 without a spike in cases so that schools could open hybrid. Within a week, those conversations were gone and suddenly everyone who had been looking at it pragmatically was saying there was no way schools could open this year.

I wish more parents (and schools, and elected officials) were taking the approach suggested by Emily Oster, who I’ve found to be one of the few science-based voices of reason in a sea of fear-mongering this summer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2020/08/12/should-you-send-kids-to-school-expecting-betterauthor-emily-oster-launches-free-online-tool-with-telehealth-startup-maven/

Oh sainted Emily is pushing for more information, not blind reopening. I agree with her, she makes sense, but if you actually read her articles, she advocates for compiled data and safety precautions for staff which just aren’t in place. So you go champion Emily, but know that you are also championing for exactly what teachers in this area need, precautions and accurate data. Both, due to the federal response are very hard to get right now. By all means start talking to FCPS about HVAC refresh rates, merv filter ratings and ppe. But know that just saying Emily Oster is sane means we should o pen right now.

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Just saying Emily Oster is right doesn’t mean we should open right now. Help teachers and kids by talking to the school board about HVAC and ppe, that is also what Emily is saying

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

This is what I’m seeing too. I’d say essential workers in general seem to be more pragmatic about it because life never really stopped for them, they’ve had to take risks from the very beginning.

That’s exactly what I’m seeing here, too.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an RN married to an MD and work with Covid patients. I get the risk. My husband had a long-standing patient in his 50's (no pre-existing conditions) die of the virus this week. It's not a joke.

BUT my Facebook and Instagram is littered with pictures from across the country of kids going back to school: Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, Colorado, South Carolina, North Carolina, Utah.
I have dozens of friends whose kids are back in school.
Public and private.

It's maddening that we have between 25-50% of their rates of infection here in DC and our kids are home interminably. I have no read hope that anyone will go back in 20-21.

I'm so torn. I get the risk. I am jealous beyond belief that much of the rest of the country is just sending their kids in 9-3pm each day.

Troll. Anyone in the medical community understands why we are not in school. Those other places you mentioned are Trumper's or Trumpland how ever you want to spin it. We will go back, no one wants this but we know the score.

Completely fals, spouse is a doctor and the many health care professionals we know all are in favor of returning to in person school. It’s the teachers and other non medical people who are opposed.

OP here. Spouse is a doctor and most of our friends are doctors. The ones I saw on Facebook TODAY who are sending their kids in person:

family practice doctor in Lancaster PA.
pediatric pulmonologist in Birmingham AL
cardiologist in Denver
peds ER doctor in Houston
cardiologist in Knoxville
peds ICU doctor in Nashville

This. All the doctors and nurses I know believe there is a common sense middle ground where we can have in-person school with masks, distancing, probably alternate schedules. The people who seem most opposed to this, in my circle at least, are not teachers (most of whom are also parents and are being forced to make a lot of the same terrible choices as the rest of us). It's the 20% or so of our friends who believe that they can eliminate risk from their lives if they just plan well enough and make the right choices. Usually well off, as that's the only people who can afford to live this way. And they are casting this overzealous approach as "socially and morally responsible" even though it's actually not possible for most people.

Most people in the medical profession are pragmatists. You have to be. You get used to weighing risks, and looking for ways to mitigate. Most procedures and medications carry risks, but they are often worth it because the underlying illness needs to be addressed. Sometimes you have to make hard choices.

I don't know a single doctor or medical professional who supports the plan to keep kids home from school until the virus is eradicated. Most don't even think we should keep kids home 100% now -- just that we should be careful and make smart choices.

This is what I’m seeing too. I’d say essential workers in general seem to be more pragmatic about it because life never really stopped for them, they’ve had to take risks from the very beginning.

That’s exactly what I’m seeing here, too.

Yes, all of this. The pandemic has demonstrated that decisions regarding education is too important to leave to career politicians and those with education degrees. It's time for the adults to weigh in and get back to normal, with precautions.

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DP, and I totally agree. I'd add that in our area, there's so much opposition to Trump that once he insisted schools open, there was a knee-jerk reaction that students must not go back in person, science and pragmatism be damned. So, a lot of nice White liberals virtue signaling.

DC-area schools could absolutely be back in person now, at least for elementary kids. That there's no option for that in public schools is shameful, in many ways.

This. I remember just before Trump and DeVos started pushing for schools to open (without regard for community spread or whether cases are rising), having several conversations with friends about our hope that DC would be able to handle Phase 2 without a spike in cases so that schools could open hybrid. Within a week, those conversations were gone and suddenly everyone who had been looking at it pragmatically was saying there was no way schools could open this year.

I wish more parents (and schools, and elected officials) were taking the approach suggested by Emily Oster, who I’ve found to be one of the few science-based voices of reason in a sea of fear-mongering this summer:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2020/08/12/should-you-send-kids-to-school-expecting-betterauthor-emily-oster-launches-free-online-tool-with-telehealth-startup-maven/

Oh sainted Emily is pushing for more information, not blind reopening. I agree with her, she makes sense, but if you actually read her articles, she advocates for compiled data and safety precautions for staff which just aren’t in place. So you go champion Emily, but know that you are also championing for exactly what teachers in this area need, precautions and accurate data. Both, due to the federal response are very hard to get right now. By all means start talking to FCPS about HVAC refresh rates, merv filter ratings and ppe. But know that just saying Emily Oster is sane means we should o pen right now.

Uh, yes? That’s exactly what I’m saying— we should be focused on re-opening schools by putting the proper precautions in place to protect students and teachers. What about my comment made you think otherwise? I actually have read Oster’s blog posts and articles, and while I don’t think she’s a saint, I do think she is one of the few people who seems to value in-person schools AND be willing to find evidence-based means for getting us there.

Your sarcasm/antagonism here is misplaced.

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Anonymous wrote:When I saw your title I thought you were talking about the Korean pop group "BTS", and was wondering if you are annoyed because you see their pictures all over the place for some reason.

Same here