I'd love to be a fly on the wall during admissions decision meetings
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Anonymous
Agreed. And please don't cite NurtureShock. |
Anonymous
Oh no, please tell me the first post wasn't the DCUMMIE poster with her Nature article about teen IQs that she's wildly misinterpreted. Please don't encourage her. *runs and hides* |
Anonymous
PP asked WHY do schools ask for the WIPPSI and WISC even when the testers themselves think it is a poor measure of intelligence before age 7 ? The answer: it provides an excuse for private schools to exclude who they don't want. If a parent doesn't offer other tangibles: great wealth, high profile ( both make great board members) and are not an alum , then low WIPPSI is given as the excuse. Well, not given as an excuse,but if a parent were to try to press after being WL or rejected say, it might be offered as the reeason. "We find that children who function in the 98% verbal IQ range are the ones best able to take advantage of our academic program" If DC is child of a board member on the other hand , they could be 50% ile on WIPPSI and still get in because the school wants to say yes to that family. So, read between the lines, what is the WIPPSI really for? |
Anonymous
| WIPPSI + Zip code + total years of parent's education will get you a very reliable indication of IQ. How that is used, well that's another question. |
Anonymous
| 19:47 Very cynical, conspiracy theory take on this whole process. I like You!! |
Anonymous
The jokes on you. DCUMMIE poster and the accumulating evidence is likely closer to the truth about plasticity of IQ than your misinformed opinions. |
Anonymous
Don't know that IQ and zip code correlate always. Lots of hill staffers with masters degrees who are very bright and their kids same stuck in Charter schools in District because their kids 120's IQ and 150K HHI of 2 gov't workers couldn't offer enough tangibles to DC privates. Meanwhile, lot's of 110 -120 IQ full pays being SUV'd in from McClean across the chain bridge three to the back seat every AM and PM. |
Anonymous
Never took a stats class, did you? Of course there's not a 100% correlation, but large scale studies of IQ show that parents' education and zip code (correlates strongly with wealth) are a reliable indicator of intelligence. What you are noting is anecdotal, if it were true. |
Anonymous
Well, that explains why America is behind in the international Pisa tests etc. Our education is below that of the developed world. And we only educate the kids who live in select zip codes with the right kind of parents. Surprisingly the top 10 countries do not have the same correlation. Is this anecdotal? |
Anonymous
I'm not sure 00:08 is totally correct, but I don't think you've got it quite right either. In general, yes, parents' education correlates with both wealth and children's IQ. But this area seems to have more than its fair share of highly educated people who are, as the PP says, working on the Hill, in government or in not-for-profits. Just because the pay stinks on the Hill, or at the Energy Department, or at Habitat for Humanity, doesn't mean that these parents are unintelligent, or that their kids are unintelligent. The point the PP made, which you missed, is that even two government workers earning $120K each are going to have to stretch to afford an area private. Therefore they aren't going to be very attractive to schools looking for more donors, who may take a handful of such families, but will turn down the rest. (Although good use of the subjunctive in the last clause!) |
Anonymous
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Unfortunately these last few posts mis-read what the original post (IQ = zip code + WIPPSI + total years of parent's education) was actually saying. A child's IQ doesn't dictate that that child will go to a Top-Whatever school. Thus, regardless of what others here may think, publics and charters will have their fair share of high-IQ kids, while top-ranked privates will have their fair share of average-IQ kids. 00:08 sets up the false equivalence that a high IQ kid will always go to a top-ranked private. Whether a particular school accepts a particular child is in most cases only tangentially related to IQ, as evidenced by this discussion before it was bumped in 2011. Whether a particular parent chooses to send their child to a particular school has even less to do with that child's IQ.
Of course, whether IQ is actually a useful measure of "intelligence" is a debate that has been raging for generations, as has the "nature vs. nurture" argument. But that's a completely separate debate. |
Anonymous
I think PP is making a LOT of assumptions about home values in DC. Most people who I know who live in the 'burbs make less money than our family. They have gone an hour out to buy a home for 600K because they couldn't afford $950K to 4.1 Mill to live in Ward 3. |
Anonymous
| bump - thought this might be interesting to others this time of year |
Anonymous
| This was a good string until the thread hijack at the end on IQ/WPPSI etc. |
Anonymous
| Your opinions and preferences about the thread are duly noted. Thanks. Keep it coming. |