Charles Allen pushing for no parking for Union Station overhaul

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Anonymous wrote:5% of commuters, actually.

And then there's the question of why only trips to/from work count.

And then there's the question of why you're hijacking a discussion about car parking at Union Station with your hatred of bike lanes.

I'm not the PP, but the bike people and anti parking people are often the same people

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

Please use real statistics with real data, not made up numbers based on what you think you see:

From the Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, 5.0% of Washington, DC residents commuted by bicycle. That number is up 57% since 2011.

Source: https://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/Where_We_Ride_2017_KM_0.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:5% of commuters, actually.

And then there's the question of why only trips to/from work count.

And then there's the question of why you're hijacking a discussion about car parking at Union Station with your hatred of bike lanes.

I'm not the PP, but the bike people and anti parking people are often the same people

Or, more likely, the car-driving people and the car-parking people are often the same people.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

Please use real statistics with real data, not made up numbers based on what you think you see:

From the Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, 5.0% of Washington, DC residents commuted by bicycle. That number is up 57% since 2011.

Source: https://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/Where_We_Ride_2017_KM_0.pdf

Okay. Even the real data is unimpressive.

Cycling realistically only works for a small minority of commuters.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

Please use real statistics with real data, not made up numbers based on what you think you see:

From the Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, 5.0% of Washington, DC residents commuted by bicycle. That number is up 57% since 2011.

Source: https://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/Where_We_Ride_2017_KM_0.pdf

Okay. Even the real data is unimpressive.

Cycling realistically only works for a small minority of commuters.

And those numbers are obviously wrong.

I must see a couple thousand people each morning on my way, on the subway, walking, in cars, buses. Call it 2,000 people. Five percent of that is 100 cyclists. I don't see 100 people on bikes in a month.

The census figures are based on interviews, and people are clearly exaggerating how often they ride their bikes to work.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

Please use real statistics with real data, not made up numbers based on what you think you see:

From the Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, 5.0% of Washington, DC residents commuted by bicycle. That number is up 57% since 2011.

Source: https://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/Where_We_Ride_2017_KM_0.pdf

Okay. Even the real data is unimpressive.

Cycling realistically only works for a small minority of commuters.

I rarely bike commute, but I still don't want to build 10-story parking garages at union station, FFS. I want less car traffic to make it safer and nicer for pedestrians, and to reduce carbon emissions.

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Anonymous wrote:I know there are hundreds of thousands of people driving in DC every day, but will someone please think of the tens of people -- maybe even 100! -- who want to ride their bikes instead. Can we please focus on that tiny minority of people for once?

You haven't been in DC lately, have you?

And again, just because people are driving now, doesn't mean that DC must forevermore continue to accommodate drivers. Especially not drivers who don't even live in DC.

I see a lot of bike lanes that are barely used.

And been in DC since it was super dangerous, thank you.

If you're not seeing lots of people on bikes, you're not looking. Or you're going to the "super dangerous" parts of DC, which are undeserved by transportation infrastructure.

I have to look, because I drive and bicyclists are the most obnoxious, most unpredictable people on the road. Luckily, there aren't very many of them. I see a lot of empty bike lanes.

You see a lot of empty bike lanes because bike lanes are efficient for moving people. Bus lanes are, too. Please stay out of both when you're driving.

I probably see on average between one and three bicyclists each morning on my way to work. They're like a very loud, but very small special interest group.

Then evidently you don't work in DC.

Don't take my word for it. The evidence is right there before your eyes.

On your way to work tomorrow, count the number of cyclists you see. Compare that to the number of cars you see or the number of people on the subway or on buses.

People on bikes must represent something like 0.01 percent of commuters.

The question is why such a tiny percentage of commuters should have such a big say over our infrastructure.

Please use real statistics with real data, not made up numbers based on what you think you see:

From the Census Bureau's 2017 American Community Survey, 5.0% of Washington, DC residents commuted by bicycle. That number is up 57% since 2011.

Source: https://bikeleague.org/sites/default/files/Where_We_Ride_2017_KM_0.pdf

Okay. Even the real data is unimpressive.

Cycling realistically only works for a small minority of commuters.

And those numbers are obviously wrong.

I must see a couple thousand people each morning on my way, on the subway, walking, in cars, buses. Call it 2,000 people. Five percent of that is 100 cyclists. I don't see 100 people on bikes in a month.

The census figures are based on interviews, and people are clearly exaggerating how often they ride their bikes to work.

you must not live near union station. you know, where this parking would go. I see dozens of people on bikes on my short walk to the metro. and, the point is we want more people on bikes.

again, if you want to never get out of your car, stay in the burbs. union station is not for you.

[Anonymous]

If I'm correct, a number of the vehicles that park in the current Union Station garage are tour buses. I'd rather provide a place for them to park in a Metro and rail accessible location, within walking distance to Capitol Hill and several museums, which is what the station location offers. The alternative is buses that circle, double park and idle on DC streets.

[Anonymous]

As a neighbor of Union Station, I would prefer less parking spaces so that there may be any kind of reduction in commuter traffic from MD driving like maniacs through my neighborhood on weekday mornings.

I doubt that many people drive to Union Station to then pay for parking while they travel to New York. Most likely they would cab/Uber to the station, especially for business travel. For leisure travel, they would be saving money by metroing or just DRIVE to NYC in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I'm correct, a number of the vehicles that park in the current Union Station garage are tour buses. I'd rather provide a place for them to park in a Metro and rail accessible location, within walking distance to Capitol Hill and several museums, which is what the station location offers. The alternative is buses that circle, double park and idle on DC streets.

Yeah - did you go outside today? The busses are STiLL on the streets instead of in the parking lot.

[Anonymous]

Former area resident here. Other uses for the garage parking not mentioned yet include a car rental agency, super convenient. Our neighbors would also move a car there before a big storm so they didn't have to shovel out, which us also a nice perk to having some additional parking. IMHO, the goal should be multi-modal transportation, and maximizing choice and flexibility, not one form over another.

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Okay. Even the real data is unimpressive.

Cycling realistically only works for a small minority of commuters.

You know what would make biking work for more trips for more people?

A useful network of protected bike lanes.

Saying we shouldn't have bike lanes because few people bike is like saying we shouldn't have a bridge over a river because few people drive across the river - except that people actually do ride on hostile, dangerous roads. Imagine how many more people would ride if they had comfortable, safe bike routes.

[Anonymous]

It's funny we put all these bike lanes everywhere and hardly anyone even uses them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Former area resident here. Other uses for the garage parking not mentioned yet include a car rental agency, super convenient. Our neighbors would also move a car there before a big storm so they didn't have to shovel out, which us also a nice perk to having some additional parking. IMHO, the goal should be multi-modal transportation, and maximizing choice and flexibility, not one form over another.

Im.all about choice too. The anti parking nanny goats make me.grimace. how about bike lanes and parking? Give people.choices. go figure!