Gentrification in DC - Wash Post Article Shows The Bad Side

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

Um. Other black people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

My ancestors have never set foot in Africa; nor were they involved in any slave trade. Nice try though, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

Black people already have reparations in the form of affirmative action.

I will not acknowledge that I've had a leg up in life 'because of my ancestors' because it's not true. In fact, it's the opposite - many of my ancestors have had issues with alcoholism, which meant that I had a dysfunctional childhood. But go ahead, keep arguing why I owe people money neither I or my ancestors have wronged. Actually, if anything it's the opposite, because black people can be just as racist to other blacks, or non-white people, as I have experienced in my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

Black people already have reparations in the form of affirmative action.

I will not acknowledge that I've had a leg up in life 'because of my ancestors' because it's not true. In fact, it's the opposite - many of my ancestors have had issues with alcoholism, which meant that I had a dysfunctional childhood. But go ahead, keep arguing why I owe people money neither I or my ancestors have wronged. Actually, if anything it's the opposite, because black people can be just as racist to other blacks, or non-white people, as I have experienced in my life.

Your ancestors chose to use alcohol. Mine never chose slavery. In no way can you compare a voluntary addiction (addiction isnt voluntary, but taking that first sip is) to involuntary servitude.

Crice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

Black people already have reparations in the form of affirmative action.

I will not acknowledge that I've had a leg up in life 'because of my ancestors' because it's not true. In fact, it's the opposite - many of my ancestors have had issues with alcoholism, which meant that I had a dysfunctional childhood. But go ahead, keep arguing why I owe people money neither I or my ancestors have wronged. Actually, if anything it's the opposite, because black people can be just as racist to other blacks, or non-white people, as I have experienced in my life.

Your ancestors chose to use alcohol. Mine never chose slavery. In no way can you compare a voluntary addiction (addiction isnt voluntary, but taking that first sip is) to involuntary servitude.

Crice.

+1

Also equating systemic, structural racism and the fact that some white people have also suffered in their lives. No one is saying that you haven't worked hard for what you have. What we are saying is that the entire system wasn't working against you while you did so. It is past time for black people to be given advantages in order to establish some semblance of equity in this country which has been disadvantaging them for it's entire history.

However... I don't really know exactly how reparations relates to this particular story. It seems to me that there are a lot of details left out of why/how she is relocating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

Black people already have reparations in the form of affirmative action.

I will not acknowledge that I've had a leg up in life 'because of my ancestors' because it's not true. In fact, it's the opposite - many of my ancestors have had issues with alcoholism, which meant that I had a dysfunctional childhood. But go ahead, keep arguing why I owe people money neither I or my ancestors have wronged. Actually, if anything it's the opposite, because black people can be just as racist to other blacks, or non-white people, as I have experienced in my life.

Your ancestors chose to use alcohol. Mine never chose slavery. In no way can you compare a voluntary addiction (addiction isnt voluntary, but taking that first sip is) to involuntary servitude.

Crice.

NP. The answer here is shrugs. You're comparing a political decision with something that often has natural (genetic) predisposition.

What I find in these reparations debates is that one side usually ignores that life for many white people across the generations has indeed been very hard, with very little wealth transfer down the generations and plenty of institutional dysfunction. Which is why many white people are skeptical of these claims.

[Anonymous]

One true tip-off for lazy WaPo reporting is when they refer to DC has a longtime "Chocolate City", as if that's a historically accepted term and fact. The first use of that term was in the 1970's, made famous by Parliament Funkadelic's album in the mid-70s. That Whole Food on P Street opened in 1999. So the city was a "Chocolate City in that area for about as long as it was a WF neighborhood.

It is also worth noting (as others have) that the same economic forces that are causing owners to sell (therefore necessitating renters to move) has helped to create a lot of black wealth. PG county became the wealthiest majority black county in the US in part because of black landowners selling DC properties and moving to PG county.

None of which is to say affordable housing isn't important. These are complicated issues. They deserve to be addressed with some degree of intellectual honesty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

You can be "brown" and have had nothing to do with the African slave trade. For example, people consider South Asians to be "brown" people.

Yup. So much wrong with what these leftist loons are proposing.

1. Why should someone who had nothing to do with slave trade pay someone who was never a slave?
2. Why should someone whose ancestors had nothing to do with the slave trade pay the descendants of slaves?
3. How do you reconcile the fact that ancestors of many races (black people included) were involved in the slave trade?
etc

You realize that its not paying people just because their ancestors were slaves...

The point of reparations would be to acknowledge that because of the oppressive past of a group of people, they are farther behind than people who were not oppressed. Being property in this country for hundreds of years can socially, financially and emotionally delay a group of people. Slavery was abolished not even 200 years ago, do you think that is enough time to catch up ? Slavery lasted longer than it has been abolished so theres that. Reparations are an attempt to bring people closer to the starting line of life. Now I dont think people should get a check... I think reparations should come in some type of social or financial reform (equal pay, tighter nepotism rules, reducing redlining, etc.).

Its always funny hearing non-black people talk about reparations.. they get so defensive as if we are calling them slave owners. No one said that, but acknowledge that because of your ancestors, you've had a leg up in life. It's not your fault.

Black people already have reparations in the form of affirmative action.

I will not acknowledge that I've had a leg up in life 'because of my ancestors' because it's not true. In fact, it's the opposite - many of my ancestors have had issues with alcoholism, which meant that I had a dysfunctional childhood. But go ahead, keep arguing why I owe people money neither I or my ancestors have wronged. Actually, if anything it's the opposite, because black people can be just as racist to other blacks, or non-white people, as I have experienced in my life.

Your ancestors chose to use alcohol. Mine never chose slavery. In no way can you compare a voluntary addiction (addiction isnt voluntary, but taking that first sip is) to involuntary servitude.

Crice.

NP. The answer here is shrugs. You're comparing a political decision with something that often has natural (genetic) predisposition.

What I find in these reparations debates is that one side usually ignores that life for many white people across the generations has indeed been very hard, with very little wealth transfer down the generations and plenty of institutional dysfunction. Which is why many white people are skeptical of these claims.

DP but you think the fact that white people have had hard lives means that the US government shouldn't have to do anything to balance the effects of chattel slavery? That's like saying you don't think the NIH should fund cancer research because one time your uncle had a cough for a week and a half. Also your wealth transfer point is disproved by statistics, but somehow I doubt facts matter here.

[Anonymous]

Googling the seller, Tally R. Holmes Jr, is some quite interesting reading. A self-professed slum landlord back in 1977, he predicted gentrification about exactly the way it ended up happening 30 years later.
https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/news/article/13036090/lease-common-denominator

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

My ancestors have never set foot in Africa; nor were they involved in any slave trade. Nice try though, troll.

FYI Slavery was Legal in China until 1910 and was not fully abolished till 1940. Asia has a history of slavery long after abolished in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think of this as a form of reparations. I think as America changes we will have to be creative in how reparations take shape.

Please tell me how I, a brown person who is an immigrant, should pay reparations to people my ancestors have never wronged?

Actually who do you think sold the slaves in Africa? You rounded up and captured your neighbors and sold them to slave traders.

My ancestors have never set foot in Africa; nor were they involved in any slave trade. Nice try though, troll.

FYI Slavery was Legal in China until 1910 and was not fully abolished till 1940. Asia has a history of slavery long after abolished in the USA.

And the odds of China paying reparations to anyone is approximately 0. And the back and forth racial arguments in this thread are why China is going to own us. The US has way too many internal struggles to compete long-term with a growing power like China, where most people walk in lock-step, forward.

[Anonymous]

Loved the detail of the white neighbor sipping white wine, and planning on traveling to his beach house for the holiday weekend.
Priceless.
The neighborhood was blighted with hookers and bangers for years, but a designer pooch jumping up is a HUGE ISSUE!
That’s fantastic.